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Extensive Proof of Spitting on Servicemen is in 1969-72 Newspapers.
Volokh Conspiracy ^ | Feb. 8, 2007 | Jim Lindgren

Posted on 02/08/2007 10:30:48 AM PST by FreedomFlyer

Sociologist Jerry Lembcke of Holy Cross [claims]: “Stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans are bogus.”

Contrary to Lembcke’s claims, I quite easily found many accounts published in the 1967-1972 period claiming spitting on servicemen.

For example, on October 6, 1967, John F. Geyer and Bill Bowers, two sailors in uniform on a ten-day leave before shipping out, were accosted and taunted by a group of about ten young men while leaving a high-school football game in Allentown, Pennsylvania. Bowers heard one of them say, “We’re going to get a couple of sailors.” Then one of the band of attackers spat at Geyer, hitting both Geyer and Bowers. Geyer, who was a former high-school football lineman, swung at his attacker. The attacker then stabbed Geyer in the side with a knife. After two hospital stays, Geyer fully recovered. In January and February, 1968, Geyer’s 18-year-old attacker was prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to a reformatory. All this is laid out in a series of stories in the local newspaper, the Bucks County Courier Times.

This was one of many stories published in American newspapers in the late 1960s and early 1970s in which American servicemen were spat on by citizens or anti-war protesters or the opposite: pro-war servicemen or citizens spat on anti-war protesters. (Because Lembcke recognizes the existence of the stories of people spitting on protesters, I'll leave that substantial body of evidence out of this post. Perhaps the most famous example is Ron Kovic, who after heckling Richard Nixon's 1972 acceptance speech, was spat on as he was wheeled from the convention hall.)

Among the journalists who gave first-hand accounts of spitting on soldiers was James Reston, two-time winner of the Pulitzer Prize. Spitting was one of the actions tame enough for Reston to describe in his New York Times front page story covering the October 21-22, 1967 Washington anti-war demonstrations: “It is difficult to report publicly the ugly and vulgar provocation of many of the militants. They spat on some of the soldiers in the front line at the Pentagon and goaded them with the most vicious personal slander. Many of the signs carried by a small number of militants . . . are too obscene to print.”

A May 16, 1970 story in the Pomona Progress Bulletin recounted how on May 15, Col. Bowen Smith, head of Claremont Men’s College’s ROTC program, was spat on by protesters as he went to his campus office.

Many newspapers carried a July 21, 1971 AP story about a Northwestern University student, apparently under surveillance by the FBI for many months, who had been observed spitting on a mid-shipman in uniform. She denied that she had done it (presumably she did not deny that some young woman had spat on the mid-shipman).

Several newspapers, including the June 18, 1969 Panama News, printed an interview with General Chapman of the U.S. Marines, in which he “confirmed stories of physical abuse,” including spitting. According to Chapman, a Marine recruiter is invited on campus by the administration, but students have been allowed to enter the area set aside for the Marine recruiter. They “stepped on his hat, smashed cigarettes, spit at him and insulted him. Frequently the recruiters are young officers or NCOs who have served in Vietnam.” They are trained to suffer this abuse in silence. “Marines are under very strict orders not to react, not to talk back, not to fight back. Just to stand in dignified silence.”

Indeed, according to an August 27, 1967 New York Times article by Neil Sheehan, as part of military training in the national guard, soldiers were actually being drilled by being spat on, abuse to which they were instructed not to respond.

One of the more amazing stories of protester abuse of veterans (and one veteran’s violent response) were the attacks on Congressional Medal of Honor winners. In a March 14, 1968 column in the Bucks County Courier Times (and elsewhere), the head of the Congressional Medal of Honor Society, WWII Medalist Thomas J. Kelly, reveals that even Medal of Honor winners have been abused and “spat upon as ‘monsters.’”

Kelly recounts how, in an appalling lack of decency, about 200 anti-war protesters showed up to harass the Medal of Honor winners at their annual dinner, held one year in Beverly Hills. Most Medalists were able to dodge the hecklers, but WWII Medalist James Conners was unable to avoid a particularly obnoxious man yelling, “Killer, killer, killer.” Conners decked him.

In the November 14, 1967 New York Times, Pulitzer-Prize winner Max Frankel quoted Jack Risoen, a California Democrat who runs a liquor store: "Last week I took my parents to an American Legion meeting--it was just a memorial service for the First World War dead and outside three kids spit on my father." Imagine that: spitting on a veteran attending a memorial service for dead veterans! . . .

With all this documented spitting going on, not surprisingly there were many more discussions by politicians and writers of letters to the editor complaining about militants spitting on the military. Indeed, one might say that people at the time were almost obsessed with spitting: in just a day of searching, I found dozens of stories about spitting on flags, spitting on police, spitting on the military, and spitting on protesters. Responsible anti-war activists, such as Allard Lowenstein implored students who opposed the war to stop all the spitting (May 14, 1969 WAPO). When California Governor Ronald Reagan insulted another politician with a crack about spitting on the sidewalk, columnist Drew Pearson (November 25, 1967) suggested that perhaps Reagan had a “spitting gap” as big as his “credibility gap.”

The tipping point seemed to come with the White House’s efforts to found a counterforce to John Kerry’s Vietnam Veterans Against the War. In early June 1971, there was a huge press push to trumpet the new organization headed by (among others) John O’Neill (later of Swift Boat fame) and Jim Minarik. The first paragraph of the most common story included a claim by Minarik that “he walked out of doors in his uniform and he was twice spat upon.”

Over the following eight months, there was an explosion of concern about the shabby treatment of veterans returning from Vietnam, discussions in which some version of Minarik’s story seemed to resonate. In July 1971, a month after Minarik’s story hit, Birch Bayh was spat on in a Florida airport by a man reported to be a pro-war Vietnam veteran. Bayh’s attacker was neither arrested, nor (apparently) questioned by the police.

In August, under a contract with the Veterans Administration, Harris conducted a poll of Vietnam-era veterans, employers, and the general public to assess how veterans were adjusting to life at home. The study would be released in January 1972 to much handwringing. . . .

In the December 11, 1971, Stars and Stripes, the brilliant behavioral scientist Norman Zinberg wrote about the three weeks he spent that fall in Vietnam studying heroin addiction for the DOD. By then, the stories of harassment and spitting were so engrained in the minds of soldiers that they used them as excuses for their addictions. Zinberg writes about a difference from earlier wars:

"The society which sent the soldier to fight not only does not reward him for his participation, but in fact is often hostile to him. EM (Enlisted men) repeatedly told me bitter and poignant stories (some of them undoubtedly apocryphal about two types of letters they received from home)."

"One would be from a buddy who would report that he had walked down a street in “The World” still in uniform and somebody had harassed or even spat on him. The other type of letter, described even more bitterly, would be from a civilian wanting to know, “Have you really killed any babies?”"

Note that by late 1971, the spitting story (in a form much like Minarik’s) had become such a cliche that Zinberg probably correctly surmised that more a few tellings of it are not literally true.

In any event, by the fall of 1971 the story of the spat upon serviceman was both well known and much written about. Lembcke’s first and second arguments are simply wrong: Stories of gob-covered servicemen started appearing in the press when anti-war protesters started spitting on them in the late 1960s, not around 1980.

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KEYWORDS: airports; hippies; servicemen; spit; spitting; vietnam
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There's much more at the end of the article at the Volokh blog.
1 posted on 02/08/2007 10:30:55 AM PST by FreedomFlyer
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To: FreedomFlyer

Didn't Olbermann, just the other night, say there were NO documented incidents of people spitting on servicemen during Vietnam?

I wish I could cram this article down his weasely little neck.


2 posted on 02/08/2007 10:35:08 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero

3 posted on 02/08/2007 10:36:26 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: FreedomFlyer
I very distinctly remember seeing TV reports on the spitting incidents multiple times during the period.

To say this did not happen is bull ticky! Revisionist history!

4 posted on 02/08/2007 10:39:57 AM PST by Tarheel (If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere... Rudy--2008)
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To: FreedomFlyer

What is there to say? Despicable. But then, John Kerry could be nominated for POTUS and run a competitive race . . .


5 posted on 02/08/2007 10:47:19 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: FreedomFlyer
I was in Newark Airport in September 1970 with my father, I was waiting for a flight to LA, two US Marines were also waiting for the flight and three antiwar bozos started with their abuse.

My father told them to move along, they decided that spitting on my father would be an appropriate response to his suggestion, Dad hit the first kid square in the nose and he went down like a sack of Portland, combatant number two put his hands up, he got hit in the side of the head with Dads elbow and also checked out, number three turned and ran like his hair was on fire.

Shortly number three returned with a Port Authority Cop, who asked what happened, the two Marines said "these two fellows were running and fell, they might be drunk or on drugs" the cop nodded his head and smiled, they were awake by now so the Cop told them to get going or they were going to jail, they quickly left, a little worse for the wear.

My Father was at the time 38, not a brawler but a tough Hudson County Boy, a contractor. No one was more surprised than the two Marines, they told him so, his response was, "Thank You for the job you are doing, it is because of you those three assholes have the "right" to express themselves, just as I had the "right" to express myself. Good luck and safe home"
6 posted on 02/08/2007 11:03:54 AM PST by Rumplemeyer
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To: FreedomFlyer

I seem to be having difficulty getting a permalink or the full article, which I would like to show around. Anyone have it?


7 posted on 02/08/2007 11:06:48 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Rumplemeyer

I pray that your father is still with us and well. God Bless him.


8 posted on 02/08/2007 11:08:27 AM PST by Postman
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To: Rumplemeyer
"Shortly number three returned with a Port Authority Cop, who asked what happened, the two Marines said "these two fellows were running and fell, they might be drunk or on drugs" the cop nodded his head and smiled"

LOL!

WONDERFUL!

9 posted on 02/08/2007 11:11:51 AM PST by blues_guitarist ( . . . As in the days of Noah!)
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To: FreedomFlyer

"Just because it happened, doesn't mean it happened." -Any Liberal


10 posted on 02/08/2007 11:17:48 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: FreedomFlyer


In Clinton's America, the only moral certainty is that morals and standards are
an uncertainty and may not exist at all. Truth is what you convince people it is...."

-- http://www.alamo-girl.com/0391.htm

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11 posted on 02/08/2007 11:33:04 AM PST by OESY
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Aways remember


A conservative bases his politics on his morals..

A liberal bases his morals on his politics....
12 posted on 02/08/2007 11:48:44 AM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: FreedomFlyer

I remember all kinds of anti-soldier incidents from TV in those days - it shouldn't be too hard to document.


13 posted on 02/08/2007 11:50:19 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: FreedomFlyer

I am very thankful no one spit on me in 68. I would probably still be in jail.


14 posted on 02/08/2007 12:20:50 PM PST by ditto h
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To: Popocatapetl

LINK to article:

http://volokh.com/posts/1170928927.shtml


15 posted on 02/08/2007 1:51:45 PM PST by FreedomFlyer
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To: FreedomFlyer

Bump and bookmark


16 posted on 02/08/2007 1:54:07 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: FreedomFlyer
It's amazing how touchy liberals get about this issue. A couple of years ago I was listening to WBAI (a Pacifica radio station, very left-wing) and a caller mentioned something about servicemen being spit on during the Vietnam War. The host practically tore the guy's head off. He insisted that the whole thing was a myth. I guess spitting on servicemen didn't jibe with his idealized image of the antiwar movement as a bunch of peace-loving innocents.
17 posted on 02/08/2007 2:11:44 PM PST by Rainbow Rising (I made a list of Hillary's accomplishments. It took up one whole piece of confetti.)
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To: Rainbow Rising

YEP!


18 posted on 02/08/2007 4:04:53 PM PST by FreedomFlyer
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To: FreedomFlyer

BTTT


19 posted on 02/08/2007 4:06:28 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: FreedomFlyer

Didn't see Kerry on the list....


20 posted on 02/08/2007 4:07:49 PM PST by Chili Girl
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