Sorry, you miss the point yet again. They are being 'masculine' as they define it as men, not as the women define 'masculinity' which, in the Western sense, is essentially equivalent to 'neutered'. You yourself said that men should define 'masculinity'. Well there you have the ultimate definition of masculinity made by men. By your own words, you must acknowledge that.
Unless, of course, your words mean nothing more than that you get to define both sides of the argument to your advantage when it is convenient for you.
"I am Russian Orthodox and I can tell you from experience that many Orthodox also have a very patristic view of the world and strong beliefs about the "place" of women. I happen to disagree with them (as the belief comes from the individuals rather than from the tenets of my religion - very unlike islam) and will say so given the opportunity."
That's what I just said. You think you get to re-define both sides of the argument even though you previously admitted that men should define masculinity. Except when that clashes with *your* definition which means that you get to switch sides yet again.
As I said before, it's all about you defining the terms of the argument to suit yourself as it is convenient, no matter how contradictory that is.
Yes, I know...
I didn't say they "should" define it, just that they are better equipped understand what it is to masculine - just as women are better equipped to understand what it is to be feminine.
Well there you have the ultimate definition of masculinity made by men.
Really? You think that the barbaric, sadisitic and 7th century views held by moslems is the ultimate definition of masculinity made by men? Wow, that's telling. I can say that I certainly do not share those views. I also don't define masculinity as what you call the Western definition of "neutered".
Also, I absolutely am not "missing the point" when it comes to Islam and the main problem with it. The treatment of women is one of the problems with it but not the most important one. The most important problem is that they want to take over the world and create a new Caliphate and will kill anyone who aims to stop them from doing so.
On that note I'm finished with this conversation. Again, have a good day. Take care.