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To: Wolfstar
1. Don't be "sorry." I know enough to be concerned that, once again, "real" conservatives are willing to toss the Constitution overboard when it suits their purposes.

You know I get really sick of the "real" conservative thing. What is it you're saying to me. Why the quotation marks? Are you mocking my position? Or are you just trying to belittle it?

My concern about the judicial process in this specific case is that potentially now Border Patrol agents will be more reluctant to pursue things like the U-Haul that came down a dirt back road by the Otay Mesa crossing yesterday and tried to smash an agent between the U-Haul and the BP vehicle, for fear that they, too, will face charges and jail.

However, the narrow, hysterical focus on this one case because it touches on the illegal immigration debate only leaves me cold.

That's a shame. I felt the same when this happened to one our brave soldiers in Iraq trying to do his job so I don't consider it to be a narrow hysterical focus. This is just the issue at hand.

456 posted on 02/07/2007 9:25:23 PM PST by CAluvdubya (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: CAluvdubya
You know I get really sick of the "real" conservative thing. What is it you're saying to me. Why the quotation marks? Are you mocking my position? Or are you just trying to belittle it?

You've been around FR long enough to know as well as I that plenty of people run around here claiming they are the real or true conservatives. Only people who think like them are conservatives, and everyone else is a "RINO" or a liberal, etc.

You may get sick of the quotes around real, but I get sick of such narrow, exclusionary claims. So I guess that makes us even.

I use the quotes in the way they are meant grammatically, that is, meaning so-called. I do so in a debate such as this in order to point out that I don't think it is at all conservative to do the following:

1. Threaten to impeach this or any president of the United States if convicted felons are hurt while in prison.

2. Try to do an end-run around the courts, jury system, and appeals process by brow-beating this or any president into interfering while the case is still proceeding through the courts. Although, like many here, I do not have much faith in our judicial system, it's the only one we have.

3. Once such a precedent is established, all sorts of pressure groups will try to do exactly the same thing for their pet convicts. Time and again, conservatives have fallen for matters such as this, which are flogged by a range of media, hucksters and politicians for their own selfish purposes. To be blunt, they know how to push your buttons. Time and again, these things come back to bite conservatives in the butt, and open the door for others to try the same thing.

503 posted on 02/07/2007 10:08:54 PM PST by Wolfstar ("A nation that hates its Horatios is already in grave danger of losing its soul." Dr. Jack Wheeler)
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