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Giuliani's 9/11 handling may fuel campaign debate
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 2/7/07 | Daniel Trotta

Posted on 02/07/2007 10:28:17 AM PST by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former New York mayor and presidential hopeful Rudolph Giuliani gained fame for his performance after the September 11 attacks, but charges that he also made serious blunders could give ammunition to rival candidates.

Giuliani, a Republican, has all but formally declared his candidacy and polls show he is a strong contender, largely because of his steely and comforting leadership that day in 2001.

But Giuliani also made mistakes in handling the city's emergency services that may have cost lives, say the co-authors of the 2006 book "Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11." Of the 2,992 people killed in the hijacked plane attacks, 2,759 died at New York's World Trade Center.

Such criticism raises the possibility the former mayor may be attacked on his perceived strength, as 2004 Democratic nominee John Kerry was when his Vietnam War record was called into question.

A Giuliani aide defended his performance, noting that 25,000 people were safety evacuated from the danger zone.

The Giuliani campaign is more concerned about attacks on his personal life, including his three marriages, and support for gay rights and abortion rights could also alienate social conservatives crucial to the winning the Republican nomination.

"Clearly if you want to take Rudy Giuliani down or out you've got to go after 9/11 but it's going to be a tough job to deconstruct that heroic narrative," said Doug Muzzio, public affairs professor at New York's Baruch College.

"There is a lot that went on that day and prior that if fully known would tarnish the mythology of 'America's Mayor,"' Muzzio said, using a nickname some have attached to Giuliani.

"Grand Illusion," written by two journalists, says that in the late 1990s Giuliani went against the advice of police and emergency management experts and placed the city's emergency command center in the World Trade Center complex, which had been bombed in 1993 and was a presumed future target.

The command center had to be abandoned on September 11, 2001, after hijacked planes slammed into two skyscrapers next door. In the chaos that ensued Giuliani allowed fire and police commanders to be separated in violation of the city's own protocols, co-authors Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins say.

LACK OF COMMUNICATION

As a result, police and fire commanders could not coordinate search and rescue efforts. The National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded in a 2005 report that emergency responder lives likely were lost at the trade center because of the lack of communication.

"In the madness of that hour, of that 102 minutes, normally you would say that's an understandable failure," Barrett said. "The reason he is subject to criticism is because he has portrayed himself as a man of great decision and judgment that day."

A Giuliani aide declined to address specific questions about the command center's location or the separation of police and fire commanders.

"The fact that an estimated 25,000 people were safely evacuated from lower Manhattan speaks volumes about the city's response," the aide said in a statement.

The world remembers video of the soot-covered Giuliani at the scene the day of the attacks, keeping his cool while informing the public, sympathizing with the victims and ordering an around-the-clock rescue effort.

Meanwhile, President Bush was kept at a safe distance from New York and Washington for most of the day, enhancing Giuliani's image.

Former Mayor Ed Koch, a Democrat, said he too was critical of Giuliani's ill-fated decision on the emergency command post, but he doubted that issue would have much impact on the campaign. He also said Giuliani's popularity was waning before the attacks.

"He's entitled to all of the support and honors that he receives around the world for the courage and leadership that he displayed on 9/11," Koch said. "But he couldn't have been re-elected on 9/10."

As mayor, Giuliani was credited with reducing crime but also with strong-armed rule. Amnesty International accused New York City police of brutality and abuse and race relations were tense. He once enraged many among the city's liberal-leaning artistic community by trying to cut off funding from a city museum over a painting of the Virgin Mary made partially from elephant dung.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 911; debate; electionpresident; giuliani; giuliani2008; gungrabbingrino; handling; papertigerrino; wot
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To: ken5050


Ya think all the anti-Rudy spammers are secretly McCainiacs?






No I dont think they are McCainiacs, I think they are conservative Republicans. I dont think Rudy is.

Persobnally I think he was a great Governor for New York.
Period.


21 posted on 02/07/2007 11:01:51 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: ken5050


Ya think all the anti-Rudy spammers are secretly McCainiacs?






No I dont think they are McCainiacs, I think they are conservative Republicans. I dont think Rudy is.

Personally I think he was a great Governor for New York.
Period.


22 posted on 02/07/2007 11:02:07 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: FreeInWV; areafiftyone
Well, that makes us even, FreeInWV, because your post bores me.

Those of us who are FreeInNY know Giuliani as the man who did more than to clean up the City, including taking on the mob-Union connection than any mayor before or since.

By the way, the Voice Village, the paper you're quoting, is a homo-commie rag that once portrayed Giuliani on the cover as Hitler. I didn't know people in WVA read homo-commie papers. Live and learn.

23 posted on 02/07/2007 11:02:35 AM PST by RedRover
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To: NormsRevenge
Fortunately, we won't have to worry about Nagin or Blanco as national candidates ..

True enough but Rudy's critics on this issue have been around for a while now. In the meantime, politicians and others are still milking the failed Federal government angle on Katrina.

24 posted on 02/07/2007 11:04:01 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: FreeInWV

Thank you! You exposed Wayne Barrett as a reporter with a rabidly anti-Rudy slant, so extreme that he will try to smear the current candidate with things his father did when he was a small child. Now we know to take anything Barrett writes as anti-Rudy propaganda.

Good job!


25 posted on 02/07/2007 11:07:53 AM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: FreeInWV

Rudy's accomplishments are legendary in law enforcement versus the mob and Wall Street. I've been following his career closely since the early 80s with admiration.

I'm not going to hold what earlier family members did against him.


26 posted on 02/07/2007 11:08:47 AM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: Ciexyz; sitetest

"I fail to see what Uncle Leo and Daddy Harry have to do with Rudy today."

Lots of folks believe that apples don't fall far from the tree. Certainly, ones parents shape a child's perceptions of the world. According to others, his extended family harbored a junkie, a crooked cop and a murky mob wing. I'm not saying that he would follow in his father's footsteps, merely that the family that raised him had little in common with the family of your typical rural evangelical.


27 posted on 02/07/2007 11:12:34 AM PST by FreeInWV
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To: areafiftyone; BunnySlippers

The authors are Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins.

If it's the same Dan Collins, he's a senior producer at CBSNews.com, is a former New York correspondent for U.S. News & World Report and a reporter for the New York Daily News.

Barrett writes for the Village Voice and actually once wrote an article that the GOP funded Al Sharpton's presidential campaign. LOL

I think we can safely say this guy heads up conspiracy central.


28 posted on 02/07/2007 11:15:43 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: RedRover

"...homo-commie papers..."

Sounds awfully homophobic for a Rudy supporter! They just might vote you off the island. LOL!


29 posted on 02/07/2007 11:20:34 AM PST by FreeInWV
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To: Peach

The people at the Village Voice hate Rudy - have hated him since he was mayor. The Village Voice, NY Slimes, Newsday - they all hated him.


30 posted on 02/07/2007 11:24:29 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: FreeInWV

This "extended family" stuff brings to mind the comments made against Geraldine Ferraro (remember that VP candidate) and her husband's business. These criticisms distressingly seem to pop up against Italo-American candidates.


31 posted on 02/07/2007 11:24:39 AM PST by Ciexyz (In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:16)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Giuliani's 9/11 handling may fuel campaign debate"

Revision time.


32 posted on 02/07/2007 11:27:52 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (The Clintons: A Malignant Malfeasance of the Most Morbid)
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To: Peach

I just Googled Dan Collins giuliani cbs

They are one and the same.


33 posted on 02/07/2007 11:29:10 AM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: FreeInWV
You don't know that I am a Rudy supporter. I came on this thread to see if things were as bad as I've heard.

I really don't understand why people disrupt whatever might pass for discussion. I don't understand what pleasure it gives you.

34 posted on 02/07/2007 11:29:50 AM PST by RedRover
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To: NormsRevenge

I dislike Rudy as a primary candidate, this is not on the list of the reasons, though.


35 posted on 02/07/2007 11:31:51 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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To: Peach; areafiftyone

Rudy did not suffer fools gladly.

He told Sharpton and Jesse to get lost and refused to meet with them for the usual shakedown. Rudy refused to meet with the Black Muslims.

He kicked Arafat outta New York and told him not to come back. Rudy didn't diddle around with diplomatic channels ... he just threw him out!

:)


36 posted on 02/07/2007 11:31:57 AM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: BunnySlippers
Rudy's accomplishments are legendary in law enforcement versus the mob and Wall Street.

And law abiding gun owners.

37 posted on 02/07/2007 11:32:55 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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To: NormsRevenge

....all I can say is the Klinton Mud machine is coming back into play....

Lets see how much we can smear Rudy....whether you like him or not, he has the right to run for POTUS and we as the voters of America have the right to either vote for him or not...but to drag him thru the mud is idiotic and childish....


38 posted on 02/07/2007 11:48:49 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: HarleyLady27

drag him thru the mud is idiotic and childish....


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All thanks to the Politics of Personal Destruction. (Thanks, Bill!)

Why do you think so many folks just shrug and don't vote anymore?


39 posted on 02/07/2007 11:54:41 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: ken5050
Ya think all the anti-Rudy spammers are secretly McCainiacs?

No, we're conservatives. Is Rudy? Is mcpain?

40 posted on 02/07/2007 11:59:21 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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