Iraqi official: U.S. chopper downed by missile: 5th helicopter crash in 2 weeks

MSNBC.COM ^ | 2/7/2007 | AP

[Smogger]

CAIRO, Egypt - The U.S. military said Wednesday a CH-46 Sea Knight helicopter went down about 20 miles northwest of Baghdad, while an Iraqi air force officer said it was downed by an anti-aircraft missile.

Al-Qaida-linked Sunni insurgents claimed responsibility for the alleged attack.

The claim was issued in an Internet statement signed by the Islamic State in Iraq, an umbrella group of several Sunni insurgent groups, including al-Qaida in Iraq. The authenticity of the statement -- posted on a Web forum where the group often issues statements -- could not be independently confirmed.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

The Flares on some Helos will draw them away from the air-craft...

[Convert]

Could it be we are fighting another proxy war On C-Span: leaders from Iraq, Syria, Iran(Khatami past president of Iran), Egypt, and JOHN KERRY having a cordial discussion Khatami obviously had great disdain for everyone else there Especially JOHN KERRY It gave me idea of how the Persians feel about non-Persians HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE FIGHTIN A PROXY WAR AGAINST BUSH?

[steve86]

Do you ever do anything but spin?

[jveritas]

I do not spin. I simply do not want defeatism and knee jerking to spread on this great forum forum. Are you a defeatist? Are you providing aid and comfort to the enemy by providing defeatist speeches or knee jerking every time we lose a hero in the battlefield? Every freeper should think about this every time he or she posts.

[Memphis Moe]

Don't count on it.

The president has seemingly morphed into a republican Jimmy Carter.

Our commander-in-chief need to embrace the attitude of some of our great military leaders:

"In war, there is no substitute for victory." -- MacArthur

"I don't want to pay for the same real estate twice." -- Patton

"After this war is over, the only place Japanese will be spoken is in Hell." -- Halsey

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

I've got "Friends-N-Kin" in the 10th MT.Div. ,,,
Both in Iraq(2nd Brg.) and Afghanistan(3rd Brg.)
I Personally Want To Know Everytime A Crickit' Farts In Those Places,,,If It's OK with You Or Not !!!!!
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I do not spin. I simply do not want defeatism and knee jerking to spread on this great forum forum. Are you a defeatist? Are you providing aid and comfort to the enemy by providing defeatist speeches or knee jerking every time we lose a hero in the battlefield?
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Unlike Other Places We In The United States of America
Have The LIBERTY To Speak OUR MINDS...Agree/Disagree...
SIR,,,IMHO,,,YOU seem To "Jump-On" Posters Who Speak-Out
About Things That They Are Concerned About,,,
Aid and comfort or Call Treason ...Bul**hit!!!!!
Welcome Home... Good Evenin'...

[jveritas]

Take it easy.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Rite's Rite And Wrong's Wrong where I live,,,
Truth is what matters...

Life ain't easy...

[jveritas]

Truth must be spoken all the time. Defeatists who hide under the cover of fake truth must be exposed.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Defeatists who hide under the cover of fake truth must be exposed.
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To Who?!?!?!?! The Seekrit Poo'lice !!! Ain't Got None .
These people don't look to me like their doin' nothin' but
Darin' to "Disagree" ???? That Ain't "Fake-Truth" !!!
That's "DISAGREE" !!! It's how we learn...

[ME-262]

"do we know yet what type of missile or rocket is being used to do hit the helicopters?"

Yes, but I'm not part of that "We".

The problem is that a helicopter is such a sensitive mass of whirling blades that a kid can down one by throwing a rock at the tail rotor. Most were never designed to take enemy fire in the tail-rotor and associated drive, or the swash-plate area.
I believe the Army is prohibited from operating fixed wing aircraft. So expect more of the same in the future.
The story goes like this: Army flies helicopter into hostile area...all souls on board dead.
Also, note to others: the Osprey is not the answer! It has demonstrated its designed ability to self-destruct without the need for enemy fire. Just in case some nitwit was going to suggest the Osprey would solve things.

[jveritas]

A defeatist is someone who thinks that we cannot win in Iraq because it is just a civil war and therefore we must leave. A defeatist is someone who dwells on the negative stories and knee jerk everytime there is a loss of one of our brave heroes. A defeatist is someone who does not have the guts for casualties. A defeatist is someone who lost all perspective that this is a long war and it requires blood and sacrifice to win it.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

I Do Not Know...All I Do Know...We Have Freedoms In This Country That Many Good Men Died Face-Down In The Mud For Us To Be Able To Enjoy...
I Have Somebody's Mama Here(10th Mt.) That Can't Watch The News But "Climbs My Leg" About News Of Her "BABY" In That
SH**Hole Of The ME !!!..."I" WANT ALL THE NEWS !!!

[jveritas]

My point fellow FReeper is that we should not dwell on losses and negative news as such putting in the "Breaking News Section" each story about a helicopter crash. Bad news demoralize people, and can lead to defeatist attitude. That is what the liberal media is doing on a daily basis. That is what our enemies want us to do, dwell on the negative news. Our enemy can cause us little damage on the battlefield but they can always count on our liberal media to make the little losses much bigger than they really are to create more despair among the US population. We should not help the enemies, even indirectly, by putting the negative news in a prominent fashion.