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Is Everything We Know About Joe Wilson’s Trip to Niger Wrong?
National Review ^ | Byron York

Posted on 02/07/2007 5:30:00 AM PST by slowhand520

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To: ItsTheMediaStupid

It shows (yet again) that Joe and Valerie Wilson, with the eager aid of a depraved MSM, concocted a fictitious story line about how Joe went to Niger "at the behest" of VP Cheney's office. Everything about this story has been a lie, starting with "a" pseudo-spy named Valerie Pflame and "the" fraud of the century, Joe Wilson.


121 posted on 02/07/2007 10:59:15 AM PST by Enchante (Chamberlain Democrats embraced by terrorists and America-haters worldwide!!)
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To: Buckhead

The bottom line. The CIA is a rogue agency.


122 posted on 02/07/2007 10:59:18 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Howlin

I'd say the Rockefeller memo was the command to go into action.


123 posted on 02/07/2007 11:10:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: woofie

Rove was the target. There was even a Television show based on "frog marching" about the same time. I forgot which show...but it sure struck a chord!!


124 posted on 02/07/2007 11:15:38 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: slowhand520; JimRed

The Dems dropped this sleazy pair like a hot potato last fall. NOBODY believes their story. The Washington Post ripped them to shreds last year, in an editorial that rivalled anything I've seen in a conservative publication for nose-pinching disdain.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460.html
And Proskauer Rose attorney (and Plame-Wilson next door neighbor) Christopher Wolf withdrew from working on their civil suit less than a month after filing it, apparently after beginning to dig into the facts a little.


125 posted on 02/07/2007 11:17:22 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: colorado tanker
"the view that Plame and Wilson were running an operation to discredit the 16 words may be the most straightforward explanation."

That doesn't explain how the rogue operation was underway a year before the infamous "16 words" were ever conceived or uttered. It has to be about a lot more than the SOTU address, because that came relatively late in the game of the 2001-2003 developments in the WOT and the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq.

It was about a lot more than the SOTU words in Jan. 2003, it was about rogue CIA a-holes working surreptitiously a year or more before that to control US Middle East policy, to forestall any possible US invasion of Iraq, and to discredit if not impeach VP Cheney who was prone to asking nosy questions about why the intel agencies didn't know a lot more about Iraq.

Apparently Valerie Pflame already had set in motion the plan to have hubby take a free misinformation trip to Niger on the government dime (1) BEFORE VP Cheney even was briefed about the Niger uranium issue, and (2) almost a YEAR before the CIA had tricked the POTUS into uttering the "16 words" in a SOTU address. How ironic that bozos in and out of the CIA who made such a botch of Iraq intel utilized their own confusion and incompetence (or worse, mendacity) surrounding the subject to set traps for the WH......
126 posted on 02/07/2007 11:20:10 AM PST by Enchante (Chamberlain Democrats embraced by terrorists and America-haters worldwide!!)
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To: Enchante

Valerie PLAME was her birth name. She was not an unknown in D.C. She shacked up with Joe at the Watergate for a while and then married Joe in April of 1998....almost exactly 5 years before Joe stepped to the podium to announce that HE WAS THE SECRET AGENT WHO sent to Niger.


127 posted on 02/07/2007 11:20:56 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
"Valerie PLAME was her birth name."

Thank you, I am very well aware of that. When I write "pFlame" on occasion it is to mock the often inept (and often mendacious) role of the MSM in the unfolding of this story..... Judith Miller had a notorious bit in her notes when she supposedly first heard of Joe Wilson's wife and wrote "Flame" as the possible last name.
128 posted on 02/07/2007 11:26:55 AM PST by Enchante (Chamberlain Democrats embraced by terrorists and America-haters worldwide!!)
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To: melancholy
"...the new evidence sheds a different light on the version of events given by Wilson himself in his book The Politics of Truth...."

Of course the evidence, which really is NOT new, sheds a different light on the version of events given by Wilson himself in his book, and EVERYWHERE else!!! His wife outed herself, period.

Plus, I agree with every word you wrote, "melancholy". There is no end of the corruption associated with the Clintons; yet very little has been done to them. They both belong behind bars; not running for another shot at the White House!!

Nancee

129 posted on 02/07/2007 11:28:42 AM PST by Nancee ( Nancee Lynn Cheney)
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To: Enchante

You're right EVERYTHING about this story has been a lie, including Wilson's claim that his report disproved the claim that Saddam was seeking to buy yellow cake. Wilson had reported that Saddam had indeed tried to buy yellow cake and was lying to the press even about that. Bush's sixteen words were in fact true.

This may be the crux of the situation. The Whitehouse may have known that Wilson was lying, but since they never received a written copy of Wilson's assessment, they had no proof. Inquiring as to how Wilson came to be given this assignment was a natural question, and releasing that information to the press was not a crime.

I still think that Fitzgerald is going for a mistrial, so that he can inflict maximum damage without getting a conviction or an exoneration.


130 posted on 02/07/2007 11:38:28 AM PST by Eva
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
When the VP asks for additional information you don't have that means just that.

You mean the CIA with major resources devoted to counter proliferation intel did not have any permanent 'feet on the street' in a country that is one of the world's largest exporters of uranium?

If they had to rely on sending a washed up former diplomat to beg for information from retired Niger officials, heads should roll. For what we're spending we should have people in place inside the Ministry of whatever in Niger that conducts uranium sales who can tell us to the damn ounce what was sold to whom and who else tried to buy.

131 posted on 02/07/2007 11:55:33 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Buckhead
On the NIE, from my files:

FYI...the statement the MSM has been making:

On July 18, 2003, the administration, facing criticism for the intelligence used to justify the war, declassified an eight-page part of the NIE dubbed "key judgments" and conducted a lengthy background briefing with reporters to discuss it.

“Key judgments" is the operative word here. They were declassified by Tenet in October of 2002, six days after the NIE was complete per the following information:
On October 7, 2002 DCI Tenet sent a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee declassifying portions of its new National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq.

Sen. Carl Levin News Release

More articles:

A 25-page version of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was released in October 2002. It made clear-cut statements about Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical weapons capabilities in two pages of "Key Judgments."

Source

The American people needed to know these reservations, and I requested that an unclassified, public version of the NIE be prepared. On Oct. 4, Tenet presented a 25-page document titled "Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs." - Statement of Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL).

A copy of the Key Judgments document can be found here. Warning: .pdf file.

As usual, the MSM gets it wrong. The declassification was requested by the Dems and Tenet approved it, way before the MSM says it was done.

132 posted on 02/07/2007 12:04:32 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Enchante
Apparently Valerie Pflame already had set in motion the plan to have hubby take a free misinformation trip to Niger on the government dime (1) BEFORE VP Cheney even was briefed about the Niger uranium issue, and (2) almost a YEAR before the CIA had tricked the POTUS into uttering the "16 words" in a SOTU address. How ironic that bozos in and out of the CIA who made such a botch of Iraq intel utilized their own confusion and incompetence (or worse, mendacity) surrounding the subject to set traps for the WH......

Well said. That's what I wanted to get at, but you spelled it out.

This reminds me of the scene in Absence of Malice when Paul Newman's plan comes together:

James A. Wells (Wilfred Brimley):

Mr Gallagher... I seem to want to ask if you set all this up. If I do, you ain't gonna tell me, are you?

Michael Colin Gallagher: No.

Wells:

I'll tell you something, you're a smart fella. Don't get too smart. I'm pretty smart myself.

Are the Wilsons smart enough and well placed enough to set something like this in motion? If not, who else was in on it?

133 posted on 02/07/2007 12:18:36 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: ravingnutter

But there was a piece of the NIE that was declassified by the President contemporaneous with the response to Wilson's op-ed and in partial rebuttal to it - this has been extensively discussed in the Libby trial. Are they different pieces of the NIE, or what?


134 posted on 02/07/2007 12:24:15 PM PST by Buckhead
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid

"Tell me how this will make the media notice. If it won't it is not significant." You are joking I hope. Nothing beneficial to the Nation or President will be printed by these pressitutes.

Apparently the RAT media believes the existence of an entire nuclear weapons research program subcontracted by Iraq to Libya is not "significant" either. Wonder why?
Wonder why the reporting on abu grabass went on for MONTHS at a hysterical pitch while Libya's admission and surrender of the program was dropped so quickly the VAST majority of people don't even know that it existed.


135 posted on 02/07/2007 12:37:32 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Buckhead

It was the same NIE document, but a longer version as it included dissents from the intelligence community (State and Energy Depts.). Now...if the President was supposedly trying to justify the war by releasing the second version, as they claim, why would the dissents be included? Makes no sense.


136 posted on 02/07/2007 12:40:05 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Buckhead

Interesting line of thought. At this point I tend to think the CIA coup attempt against Bush/Cheney came from a couple notches below Tenet in the chain of command, but there are a few missing pieces of information I think would be needed to state that with confidence. I'll be posting something else shortly with some thoughts on where I think the anti-Cheney faction of the Agency was concentrated, will ping you when I do.


137 posted on 02/07/2007 1:54:27 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Enchante
It shows (yet again) that Joe and Valerie Wilson, with the eager aid of a depraved MSM, concocted a fictitious story line about how Joe went to Niger "at the behest" of VP Cheney's office. Everything about this story has been a lie, starting with "a" pseudo-spy named Valerie Pflame and "the" fraud of the century, Joe Wilson.

While true, Joe six pack won't understand it, especially the DemoRat Joes. Some of the Republican Joes will understand it a bit, but this is not going to sway the MSM one bit.

138 posted on 02/07/2007 2:03:33 PM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: justshutupandtakeit

If it is strong enough to make it into Wall Street Journal, and if the corporate bosses read it and understand it and believe it is newsworthy for their media corporations to cover it, then it will be covered. You have to get past that and it has to be hot enough to sell more papers than the current tactic. That is the way to get a biased media to drop their bias, but it will be dropped only a short time.


139 posted on 02/07/2007 2:07:40 PM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: Fedora

Thanks.


140 posted on 02/07/2007 2:10:10 PM PST by Buckhead
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