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Rudy’s a No-Go
National Review ^ | 2/6/2007 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 02/06/2007 10:43:27 AM PST by ElkGroveDan

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To: jdm

Stuff like this is quite misleading, sometimes grossly misleading.

"Supports" abortion on demand? Even MRS BILL CLINTON's positions have some nuances that can't be captured in a chart like this.

Not helpful.


281 posted on 02/06/2007 1:19:07 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Tokra

"...The War against the Islamofascists is MUCH more important than any social issue - our very survival is at stake."---

Replace "Islamofascists" with "Communists" - it's the same song we hear every time. "How can you think about those issues when we might not be around next year...blah blah blah..."

There will always be people out there who mean us harm, always. That does not mean we give up everything important to us out of fear.

We've already seen this B.S. before:

1.) Proclaim that our issues don't matter in a "time of war."
2.) Declare perpetual war.

I didn't buy it then, I don't buy it now. You surrender YOUR issues, I'm not surrendering mine.


282 posted on 02/06/2007 1:19:30 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Maybe Rudy will have an epiphany and realize how great a sin abortion is. Prayer works wonders.


283 posted on 02/06/2007 1:19:37 PM PST by hershey
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To: sandyeggo

No, Rudy is not Arnold. For one thing, Rudy is a much more accomplished and experienced *politician.* And we need someone who knows how to play hard ball with the Rats.

As for "how well THAT's coming along," I dunno, didn't Arnold just get reelected big-time? Is that chopped liver in a state like California?


284 posted on 02/06/2007 1:20:37 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Tokra
The War against the Islamofascists is MUCH more important than any social issue - our very survival is at stake. If we lose this war - abortion, gun control and gay marriages will all be immaterial. Comverting to Islam or being beheaded will override all other concerns.

Another shortsighted poster who fails to understand that the internal threats to our free republic and our constitution are far more dangerous than any possible external threat.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." - Abraham Lincoln

285 posted on 02/06/2007 1:20:49 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: monocle

Giuliani's personal life v. MRS BILL CLINTON's personal life?

Ha, no contest.

No worries, mate. It won't be purty, but it won't be fatal, either. Except, of course, the Perfect Conservatives get in a huff and refuse to vote.


286 posted on 02/06/2007 1:22:28 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: airborne

As I commented a few posts back, I merely posed a question that I see posed routinely here at FR. Are attackers attacking because they are afraid of the attackee?

When Obama's alleged schooling at a madrassa came up, it was suggested by more than one poster here that Hilary was behind it, because she was afraid of his popularity.


287 posted on 02/06/2007 1:23:08 PM PST by dmz
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To: Fawn

Said the same thing. Thanks.


288 posted on 02/06/2007 1:24:21 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Rudy and McCain are struggling to be the Democrats choice for the Republican nomination.


289 posted on 02/06/2007 1:25:07 PM PST by PeterFinn (The end of islam is the beginning of peace.)
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To: upsdriver

I respect anyone voting their conscience, I just don't always see how helping to elect someone like MRS BILL CLINTON doesn't burn on one's conscience something awful.


290 posted on 02/06/2007 1:25:57 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: dmz

Obama's a closet muslim and the fact that when he visits his stepmother's family in Indonesia he is allowed to pray in a mosque that bars non-muslims will eventually come up.


291 posted on 02/06/2007 1:27:27 PM PST by PeterFinn (The end of islam is the beginning of peace.)
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To: dmw
We need to put our feelings aside and think of the long term consequences of having a liberal president, especially at a time when we have liberals controlling congress.

Oh, this is rich for the "teach the GOP a lesson" crowd by not voting in a way that stops MRS BILL CLINTON. I do wish the Perfect Conservatives would put their feelings aside, think of the long-term consequences of having a liberal president, such as MRS BILL CLINTON, and vote accordingly.

292 posted on 02/06/2007 1:28:07 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: WillT
Then you might as well vote for Hillary - you will only have yourself to blame for that !!!

I'll have the American people to blame for that. I got to spend two tours in Iraq watching LBJ II work his magic back here. I loved risking my life to guard the Syrian border, while he didn't have the moral courage to guard our own. I won't bother to list his many, many other flaws. I will not vote for the lesser of two evils anymore. Our candidate doesn't have to be perfect in every way, but Rudy is more than I can handle.

293 posted on 02/06/2007 1:28:44 PM PST by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: WillT

"every poll out there says Rudy would trounce Hillary in a general election"

It's awfully early to be basing strategy on a bunch of MSM polls almost 2 years ahead of the election. I can remember when forgotten people like Edmund Muskie and George Romney were front-running candidates for President. And polls much closer to the election showed Michael Dukakis leading Reagan by double digits!


294 posted on 02/06/2007 1:29:59 PM PST by hellbender
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To: zbigreddogz
That said, saying Rudy is unelectable is an insult to my intelligence. No reasonable person thinks this, and there is no evidence to suggest this other then the way someone feeeeeelllllsss, and I don't really care how he feels. If anybody wants to prove to me Rudy is the wrong man, which I already am sympathetic to, do so with things that make sense, not obvious hyperbole to mask what you are really saying.

This bears repeating again and again!

Personally, I almost stopped reading at the title, "Rudy a No-Go." Oh, really? I've only recently become more opento voting for Rudy, but, like you, it's an insult to my intelligence to claim that Rudy is not a serious candidate or a formidable nominee.

295 posted on 02/06/2007 1:30:19 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: TUAN_JIM

Ok, then don't whine when you have Hillary at the podium in charge of immigration and fighting terrorism. Good luck with that. A Democrat-controlled House/Senate and Hillary - now there's something to think about !!


296 posted on 02/06/2007 1:33:26 PM PST by WillT
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To: kjo

Does four years of Hillary not weigh on your conscience in this situation? I'm asking honestly.

If you know, as you say, that you are throwing your vote away, does it not bother you that you failed to do whatever was within your power, regardless of whether it worked or not, to stop Hillary?

Does the fact that you threw away your vote and, therefore, helped Hillary get elected not effect how you "put your head on the pillow at night"?

I'm really trying to understand this.

I'm trying to think of an analogy here and all that is coming to me is---sorry, not meaning to be inflamatory--but Pontius Pilot. He threw his vote away; he washed his hands of the matter and left it to others. He walked away and said "whatever you guys do is your problem; I won't be part of it." Was he responsible, at least in part, for what happened or not?


297 posted on 02/06/2007 1:35:35 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Another shortsighted poster who fails to understand that the internal threats to our free republic and our constitution are far more dangerous than any possible external threat.

If you TRULY think that the mayor of New York is a bigger threat to us than the jihadists - you have a lot of nerve calling ME "shortsighted".

If you really think that Rudy Guiliani is a bigger threat to our survival than a nuclear Iran is - you need to seek professional help.

298 posted on 02/06/2007 1:35:37 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: hellbender

True, but if the election were held today, Rudy would beat Hillary, no doubt about it. And polls do have some credence, or did you forget the 2006 Congressional polls? And Dukakis never ran against Reagan, he ran against Bush !!


299 posted on 02/06/2007 1:35:41 PM PST by WillT
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To: wouldntbprudent

'Even MRS BILL CLINTON's positions have some nuances that can't be captured in a chart like this. '

Yes, the Clintons were so nuanced they could even play with the meaning of the word "is." The real question is: Do we want a so-called Republican who can't even come down unequivocally against infanticide? How can anyone even regard Rudy as a "crime fighter" (one of his few claims to fame) when he won't oppose this atrocity against helpless babies?


300 posted on 02/06/2007 1:37:05 PM PST by hellbender
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