Posted on 02/04/2007 9:26:55 AM PST by Chi-townChief
The same can be said for slavery, yet the South gave that up too. Promoting tobacco use for purposes of historical nostalgia makes no sense.
Uh... did you read the table you posted? This is absurd.
Your own table explains the cause of death in the other 301,770 cases. Other smoking-related cancers cause 31,000 deaths, smoking causes 23,000 strokes and 134,000 heart attacks. That isn't ETS... You know, reading is fundamental.
Then why break out the smoking related lung cancers seperately?
Why is the table immediately after the statement on ETS?
If it's not ETS related then WHAT is the big thing anti-smokers have on their side?
Are you really concerned about MY health?
Another straw argument.
Slavery was predominantly related to cotton in the south and not tobacco.
No one including me has advocated promoting Tobacco..for historical nostalgia or any other reason.
Criminalizing tobacco smokers while crucially depending on their tax revenue and their patronage in other business is the issue.
I don't understand your question. The table breaks lung cancer into two groups: lung cancer caused by direct smoking and lung cancer caused by ETS.
Why is the table immediately after the statement on ETS?
I don't understand your question. I think you need to look at the table again.
If it's not ETS related then WHAT is the big thing anti-smokers have on their side?
ETS kills thousands of people each year. But your 300,000 figure is simply bogus. Estimates vary, but I've never heard anyone suggest that it's anywhere near that large. Certainly the CDC has said nothing of the kind, that I've seen.
Ok, then correct me. What on earth are you talking about?
If you believe the stats that say anyone who dies and has been within 50 miles of a smoker in their lifetime is a smoking-related death.
Why bother with facts when you can sit on your butt and post patent nonsense on the internet? At least your hyperbole is entertaining. But are you sure it's 50 miles? Not 35 miles?
Criminalizing tobacco smokers while crucially depending on their tax revenue and their patronage in other business is the issue.
What does ETS stand for?
Environmental Tobacco Smoke = Second Hand Smoke
I agree
Thanks
My apologies, the ETS mortality estimate I'm quoting is not correct. I looked back at some notes I have and found that this was an earlier estimate of all smoking related mortalities.
Now, let's do some ciphering.
Smokers in ther US. 60,000,000. 20% of 300,000,000.
estimated mortality caused by smoking. 400,000+.
So, less 1% of smokers die from smoking related causes.
1%
Where the percentage of nonsmokers killed by smoking related causes must be in the fraction od a percent of a percentage point.
WHAT is the urgency?
Where is the public health emergency that MUST take property rights from an owner?
Admit the truth if you wish, you don't like the smell.
There is no over riding public health emergency that requires government intervention.
Environmental Tobacco Smoke.
Where are you getting this crap?
1. Your numbers are off, because the percentage is of adults only.
2. 400,000 die each year. The percentage of smokers who will die prematurely at some point because of smoking is over 50% (I don't recall the exact percentage but it's high).
Citation?
And what do you consider prematurely? 50? 60? 75?
I've never heard that it was adults. I've heard percentage of population.
How do you know?
100% of people who [fill in any activity] die anyway...
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