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To: Alberta's Child
We are there to begin the changing of the Middle East.

"This kind of utopian, delusional, Wilsonian nonsense was utterly repudiated in 1917-18."

We have changed things with every war we have won. Perhaps change was not always for the better, but we have changed things. I think we changed things for the better in WWII with regards to Germany and Japan. We changed things for the better in Korea. We almost changed things for the better in Vietnam. We changed things for the better in the Soviet Union. The idea that we can change things for the better is not delusional.

I do think that the situation has evolved in Iraq and our goals have changed. I think that should not be surprising, and is common in history. Few wars and their aftermaths go according to the play-book of one side. For starters, there are at least two sides and they have conflicting goals. For another thing, no one has perfect knowledge - though many seem to claim it.
146 posted on 02/04/2007 3:43:12 PM PST by ChessExpert (Reagan defeated the Soviet Union despite the Democratic party. We could use another miracle.)
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To: ChessExpert
We have changed things with every war we have won.

No! You're so naive. No war has changed anything since 1917-18 because the idea of changing anything was utterly repudiated at that time!

;-)

201 posted on 02/05/2007 7:58:11 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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