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BBC: Concrete 'to stem Java mud flow' ~~ An attempt to stop flow of Mud from deep underground ...
BBC ^ | Friday, 2 February 2007, 15:10 GMT | BBC Staff

Posted on 02/03/2007 2:12:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 02/05/2007 6:01:59 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Concrete 'to stem Java mud flow'

Mud (Durham University)

The mud flow has been relentless

A plan to drop concrete balls into the mouth of a "mud volcano" in East Java to stem its flow should go into action next week, Indonesian scientists say.

Hot mud and gas have been spewing out of the ground since May 2006; experts warn the torrent could continue for months, if not years, to come.

But the government-approved scheme could halt the flow within two to three months, the team behind the plan says.

Other geophysicists said it was a "long shot", but "could be worth a try".

Dr Umar Fauzi, who developed the idea with a team at the Bandung Institute of Technology, told the BBC News website the work was due to begin on 7 February, following approval from the government and the team managing the disaster.

Engineers will drop 1,000 1.5m-long metal chains into the mouth of the mud leak. Each chain has four concrete balls suspended from it; two with a 20cm diameter and two with a 40cm diameter.

They will begin slowly, Dr Fauzi explained; perhaps dropping five to 10 chains on the first day, then slowly increasing the number until they insert up to 50 chains per day.

Company blamed

"We aim to lower the chains deep down into the neck of the crater," he said. "This will not plug the volcano, but will force the mud to flow around the chain-balls, decreasing the mud's energy and slowing its flow."

Dr Bagus Nurhandoko, who helped develop the scheme, told Nature magazine: "It will make the mud tired. We're killing the mud softly."

The team is uncertain exactly how long stemming the flow could take.

Map (BBC)

"We will monitor the reaction of the volcano as we progress," he told BBC News. "How long it will take to stop the flow depends on the reaction, but we think it will take maybe two to three months."

The disaster, which began on 29 May 2006 in the Porong subdistrict of Sidoarjo in Eastern Java, close to Indonesia's second city of Surabaya, is thought to have been triggered by the drilling work of gas prospectors PT Lapindo Brantas.

The event has forced many thousand from their homes.

The Indonesian government has been working to halt the mud with a network of dams and by channelling some of it into the sea, but with little success so far.

The cost of this new scheme is estimated at 3 billion rupiah ($330,800); a government spokesman said PT Lapindo Brantas would pay the cost.

The concrete balls method would cost less than other proposed schemes to halt the mud volcano, Dr Fauzi said.

Brian Simpson, an engineer from Arup Geotechnics, said the plan was a "long shot" and would have to overcome many difficulties.

One of the problems, he said, was by slowing the mud down, you would inevitably create pressure, and this pressure could dislodge the blockage or force open another path.

"However, saying that, when swallow holes or pipes form in dams, it is quite a normal procedure to throw in some fairly coarse material to gradually dam it up," he explained.

What it might do, he added, would be to buy the Indonesian authorities some time to create a more effective and final solution.

"However, now this volcano has been flowing for so long it is going to be extremely difficult to stop, but this scheme is probably worth a try, although I doubt it will work," he said.

Professor Richard Davies, of the Department of Earth Sciences at Durham University, said: "This is completely unchartered territory - nobody has ever done this before. There is a possibility that the pressure may build, forcing open other vents, possibly exacerbating the situation."

Dr Mads Huuse, a geophysicist at the University of Aberdeen, said: "I don't think this idea has ever been tried before.

"If the mud doesn't just whirl straight past these balls, it could work.

"We think this is a man-made volcano caused by the drilling, and it could really go on for a very long while. Already 10,000-11,000 people are homeless," he added.

"It would be wonderful for them if this works."



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KEYWORDS: indonesia; javamudvolcano; volcano
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To: Darksheare
Indonesia's second city of Surabaya, is thought to have been triggered by the drilling work of gas prospectors PT Lapindo Brantas.

But those guys will be easier to sure than Mother Earth...

41 posted on 02/03/2007 2:46:57 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

sure=sue


42 posted on 02/03/2007 2:47:17 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

True, they would be easier to sue than the planet itself.
Though if we found enough Gaia worshipping lawyers, they could go down to the mudhole and try..
That might plug it up.


43 posted on 02/03/2007 2:48:40 PM PST by Darksheare (She had the face of a trucker. She used it as a purse.)
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To: Darksheare
I'm wondering if the mudcano is in anyway related not to drilling, but to the lingering effects of the massive quake they had there "a year or three" back.

From this link...

NGOs threaten lawsuit over mudflow

...Legal and environmental activists grouped in the Sidoarjo Mudflow Victims Advocacy Committee are threatening to sue the government and Lapindo Brantas Inc. unless they improve the way they deal with the problem and provide assistance to the victims, writes the Jakarta Post, Jakarta, National News - October 21, 2006 at http://www.thejakartapost.com/.

44 posted on 02/03/2007 2:49:22 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
It looks like a mess. I don't see the logic in attempting to block the flow from the surface as the aquifer that was initially broken is reportedly 9300 feet below the surface. If they succeed at ground level it will almost certainly find alternate paths to the surface and increase the affected area.
45 posted on 02/03/2007 2:49:48 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They won't stop these things anymore than tape on the outside of a tire will fix a flat. Their best hope is to cap them and pipe the mud to a health resort for its "curative" properties.


46 posted on 02/03/2007 2:51:32 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: benjaminjjones

Dang. :O)


47 posted on 02/03/2007 2:51:51 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (I don't have any reason to be cynical, but...)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

ROFLMAO!


48 posted on 02/03/2007 2:52:16 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (I don't have any reason to be cynical, but...)
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To: mewzilla

"improve the way they deal with the problem and provide assistance to the victims"???

Something about that sounds odd to me, but I'm kinda fuzzy in the noggin at the moment.
That, as it sounds, would be like those living by Mt. Etna suing the government for making the volcano erupt.


49 posted on 02/03/2007 2:52:31 PM PST by Darksheare (She had the face of a trucker. She used it as a purse.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I just finished reading a book about Krakatoa. Plugging up a venting volcano seems pretty stupid to me.


50 posted on 02/03/2007 2:53:46 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Dog Gone

No casing, all mud.

Good luck with that...


51 posted on 02/03/2007 2:55:38 PM PST by DB
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
My Wife is from the Philippines and her immediate reaction was "Can't they sell the mud?"
It is Virgin mud from deep in the Earth untouched by Man, thousands and thousands of years old, free of any pesticides or man made contaminants. Surely there would be a Market for it with the Enviroweanies to grow their "natural food" in.

(This from the same women that watched "Survivor Man" stuck on a Tropical Island to survive for a week. She said if you stick a Filipino there for a week they would have already opened a SARI SARI Store and would have been putting messages in bottles to advertise it's location)

I'm a lucky guy

TT
52 posted on 02/03/2007 3:10:01 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The event has forced many thousand from their homes. The mud leak has submerged several villages. But on a positive note; their skin looks great!


53 posted on 02/03/2007 3:11:14 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: TexasTransplant

Addendum

It is a lot cheaper to mine this "product" if Mother Nature does the digging for you.

TT


54 posted on 02/03/2007 3:13:33 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Dog Gone

The stuff wants to get out. Wouldn't it just pop out somewhere else?


55 posted on 02/03/2007 3:21:27 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (I don't have any reason to be cynical, but...)
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To: mewzilla
The geothermal component?

No, that's not it. We routinely deal with wells where the downhole temperatures are in excess of 500 degrees.

There's a mechanical problem here, because otherwise this would have been fixed long ago.

56 posted on 02/03/2007 3:30:58 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: DB

If they drilled to 9300 feet without setting casing, then that's crazy.


57 posted on 02/03/2007 3:40:02 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Well, not really. The pressurized zone where this was coming from was doing just fine until it found an escape route.

Plug up that route, and everything is back to normal. If anything, after spewing this stuff to the surface it's less pressurised now.

The question is how to secure the hole, set some pipe into it, and then plug the hole. Ideally, you want make sure there is cement at the depth where this mud is coming from.

I don't know if that's at 9,300' below the surface or somewhere more shallow.


58 posted on 02/03/2007 3:45:36 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I don't know that they didn't set casing.

Put from the story the implication is that it has become a large hole with a continuous stream of mud oozing out of it. If it had casing it wouldn't have been as nearly a big a deal. And if there were a casing the volume of flow could have been plumbed elsewhere if not literally turned off.
59 posted on 02/03/2007 4:00:15 PM PST by DB
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To: DB

I'lI have to guess that if casing were set, it's no longer there, having fallen down thousands of feet to the mud reservoir. Otherwise, it should have been a fairly simple matter to fix.


If this is essentially an open hole to surface, there's probably no way to kill it now. Chains might slow the flow enough to set new casing and control the hole, but that seems like a long shot.

The chains would have to be heavy enough to get down against the flow of mud without being too heavy to simply disappear at the bottom of the mud flow reservoir.


60 posted on 02/03/2007 4:23:21 PM PST by Dog Gone
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