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A 'Good Chance' Giuliani Will Run In '08
AP via Yahoo ^ | 02/03/07 | JIM DAVENPORT

Posted on 02/03/2007 1:17:10 PM PST by BunnySlippers

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To: EternalVigilance

Providing poor women info on birth control (women who were immigrants and likely did not speak English when they arrived here by the way - maybe even Jewish women) was vile? I don't think so. Most of those families could not afford one, let alone 2 - 10 kids.


221 posted on 02/03/2007 3:35:03 PM PST by merry10
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To: BW2221; My GOP

For that matter, what the heck is a "foreign policy conservative?"


222 posted on 02/03/2007 3:35:20 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: narses
How principled. What, pray tell, would cause you to join NARAL in support of Rudy?

Will he accept their money or support in 2008? He didn't run for President back in the 90s.

The abortion issue is really splitting conservatives. Here's a suggestion on how to end it. Lobby your Congressman or state legislature and push for an outright ban instead of trying to shackle GOP Presidential candidates knowing they'll have little or no impact on the issue.

223 posted on 02/03/2007 3:35:20 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here to have it resent!)
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To: BunnySlippers

There is a link to where she wanted to wipe out the black race. I skimmed that. But, because some aspects of her were horrible, supposedly, that does not mean that SOME of her work had no merit.


224 posted on 02/03/2007 3:36:14 PM PST by merry10
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To: merry10
You will probably have some voting for Hillary.

Probably, every family has black sheep. We try to keep them in the attic but, they have so many rights nowadays, we can't control them like we used too.

225 posted on 02/03/2007 3:36:43 PM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: BunnySlippers

The modern day abortion rights movement began as the American Birth Control League in 1921. Among its founding board members were Margaret Sanger, Lothrup Stoddard, and C. C. Little. The latter two people were known for their racist views, but Margaret Sanger continually shows up in the company of other racists. In fact, she was the guest speaker at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Silverlake, N. J. in 1926.[1] Not only did she not disassociate herself from these racist views, her own writings leave little doubt as to her sympathies. In implementing a plan called the "Negro Project," that was designed to sterilize Blacks and reduce the number of Black children being born in the south, Sanger wrote:

"[We propose to] hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. And we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." [2]

Sanger also viewed welfare as a detriment to society because it increased the number of poor blacks and foreigners. "Organized charity (modern welfare) is the symptom of a malignant social disease, increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents, and dependents. My criticism, therefore, is not directed at the 'failure' of philanthropy, but rather at its success."[3] The urban poor, and their increasing numbers, she called, "an ever widening margin of biological waste."[4] Welfare, she believed, encouraged the breeding of the poor, or "human waste," as she called them. She feared that welfare would encourage the urban poor by having them give birth to those "stocks that are the most detrimental to the future of the race"[5] Therefore, she believed that the government should actively encourage the sterilization of those who are unfit to propagate the race, using as her motto: "More [children] from the fit, less from the unfit."[6]

No modern day liberal would dare question the need for some form of government aid to the poor. But Margaret Sanger wanted more for the privileged and less for the poor. How did someone who was so obviously biased and lacking in compassion become the heroine of todays liberals? It is a strange reversal of political direction. It is as if the Democratic Party suddenly turned around and supported David Duke for Supreme Court Justice.

Margaret Sanger also continued to advocate for her racial prejudices in her magazine, Birth Control Review. In six successive issues of that magazine, she advocated limiting the racial quotas of immigration of "Slavs, Hebrews, and Latins,"[7] because of their lower intelligence! Although Ms. Sanger was the editor of the magazine, she shared its pages with the racist co-founders of the American Birth Control League. Board member Lothrup Stoddard wrote the racist book The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy [8], which was reviewed favorably in Birth Control Review.[9] Co-founder and board member, C. C. Little, was president of the Third Race Betterment Conference, and he advocated preserving the purity of "Yankee stock" through limiting the births of non-Whites.[10]

Margaret Sanger was also strongly anti-Semitic. She started a similar birth control organization with a man named Henry Pratt Fairchild, who wrote The Melting Pot Mistake, in which he accused "the Jews" of diluting the true American stock.[11] In his book, Race and Nationality, (1947), Fairchild blamed anti-Semitism and the holocaust in part on "the Jews."[12].

Finally, Margaret Sanger and her organization began to be primary sponsors of abortion rights during her lifetime. But because she had associated herself with Adolph Hitler, praising him for his racial politics of eugenics, she changed the name of American Birth Control League to Planned Parenthood during WWII in order to disguise her racist past.[13] Today, her organization, Planned Parenthood, is still in the forefront of advocating abortion as a means of eliminating the unwanted and "unfit." Not only does the organization perform thousands abortions each year, it also receives 100's of millions of tax dollars each year through Federal and State Governments.[14] And rather than being in the forefront of a woman's right to choose, International Planned Parenthood is a primary advocate for the Chinese Government's policy of forcing women to have abortions against their will, and it also advocates for the sterilization of Third World non-Whites across the globe.[15] It seems that PP is "pro-choice" when trying to impress the U.S. media, but anti-choice in the actual implementation of its world-wide agenda.

But has Planned Parenthood changed? It is significant to note that Planned Parenthood has never distanced itself from the vision and ideology of its founder. Successive presidents of the organization have praised her work, including Faye Wattleton, who said, "As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger, our courageous leader, we should be very proud of what we are and what our mission is. It is a very grand mission; abortion is only the tip of the iceberg."[16]

One can only wonder how abortion rights came to be adopted by liberals in the Democratic Party, or any other party. It is difficult to image how it came to be identified with other liberal causes. Through a slick media campaign and effective sloganeering, Planned Parenthood painted abortion as a compassionate and caring alternative to childbirth. Their motivation however may be altogether different. It seems that abortion still today, rather than being seen as a way of helping the poor and minorities, is considered the easiest solution for our economic problems. Don't help the poor, just eliminate them.

http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/abortion_eugenics/peterson.html


226 posted on 02/03/2007 3:37:06 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Petronski
At this hour, scientists at Lawrence Livermore are using particle accelerators, desperately searching among nanoparticles of matter to find Evie's credibility.


No luck yet.

 

An "all-nighter".  Pizza's and Jolt cola's. 

227 posted on 02/03/2007 3:37:40 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: EternalVigilance
I'll do that when you name one mayor who has done so.

Zero, but being Mayor of 7 million people is much more complex than bloviating in front of 435 or 100 other colleagues.

228 posted on 02/03/2007 3:38:00 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here to have it resent!)
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To: BunnySlippers

"I'm told" doesn't cut it without any supporting evidence. I'm told that Santa Claus squeezes his fat red @ss down my chimney every Christmas Eve, too.


229 posted on 02/03/2007 3:38:38 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: merry10
Providing poor women info on birth control (women who were immigrants and likely did not speak English when they arrived here by the way - maybe even Jewish women) was vile? I don't think so. Most of those families could not afford one, let alone 2 - 10 kids.

Yes, it was vile. Her goal was to wipe out those "inferior" poor folks. Wake up.

230 posted on 02/03/2007 3:39:23 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Did you miss when our host, Jim Robinson, pointed out to you that the pink triangle you're obsessing about comes directly from the radical gay extremists you're so defensive of?

Yes, but you are the who has insisted modern day gays and political opponents of yours be required to wear it.

Bringing his issues from one thread to another.

It's directly relevant to this thread, specifically because you are speaking about Giuliani supporters (all the more so because you have compared Giuliani to Mussolini). Directly relevant.

Have you ever heard of Ronald Reagan's eleventh commandment?

231 posted on 02/03/2007 3:39:27 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: processing please hold
Also, if that's his only failing, since it's the only one you posted, can I take that as you're throwing all your support to Hunter?



Besides that "only one" unpleasant incident how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
232 posted on 02/03/2007 3:40:01 PM PST by Blackirish (David Dinkins:"Rudy as President is kind of frightening.My question will be, will I move to Bermuda")
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To: EternalVigilance
Here are her feelings on abortion in her very own words in her autobiography:

http://www.answers.com/topic/margaret-sanger

Sanger remains a controversial figure. While she is widely credited as a leader of the modern birth control movement, and remains an iconic figure for the American reproductive rights movements, she also is reviled by some who condemn her as "an abortion advocate" (perhaps unfairly so: abortion was illegal during Sanger's lifetime and Planned Parenthood did not then support the procedure or lobby for its legalisation).

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Sanger's 1938 autobiography notes her 1916 opposition to abortion as the taking of life: "To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."[15]

Having said this I'll repeat I had to Google her as I know nothing about her.

233 posted on 02/03/2007 3:40:19 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: Dolphy
It would depend on what part of her work he referenced. I'm guessing it was birth control, not eugenics.

Ah, so you'd have no problem with Rudy calling Hitler's work "distinguished" on the theory that maybe, just maybe, he was talking about those wonderful Autobahns? /s

234 posted on 02/03/2007 3:41:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Petronski
Yes, but you are the who has insisted modern day gays and political opponents of yours be required to wear it.

Should be:

Yes, but you are the one who has insisted modern day gays and political opponents of yours be required to wear it.

235 posted on 02/03/2007 3:41:25 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: BunnySlippers
Having said this I'll repeat I had to Google her as I know nothing about her.

Obviously.

236 posted on 02/03/2007 3:41:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Talking about posters without pinging them.

You're already on the thread.

Stalking.

You're not that special. Only your bizarre idea is.

237 posted on 02/03/2007 3:43:01 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; paul51
Rudy is not going to take your guns. Stop being delusional.

That's right, nobody is. Because they know that if they try a lot of people are gonna die. There are just too many committed gun owners in this country (and commensurately a lot of guns) and the federal government doesn't have the resources to deal with all of us.

238 posted on 02/03/2007 3:43:46 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: BunnySlippers
"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." - Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
239 posted on 02/03/2007 3:44:49 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: BunnySlippers
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the American Baby Code that states:

"No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child… without a permit for parenthood".

240 posted on 02/03/2007 3:45:58 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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