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To: Birdlady

This account skips a few small details, like the jury voted 12-0 that they were guilty, that no weapon was found, that they tried to hide the evidence, that the border patrolman that blew the whistle on these two lived in Arizona and didn`t know them but was offended by there actions,no account I read ever said there was a scuffle, and that both men were caught lying in court. Nobody likes illegals or drug runners, but we can`t give cops of any kind the right to shoot at people without cause. A jury of 12 Americans listened to all the testimony and convicted them. The judge followed federal guidelines and sentenced them. They have the right to appeal. Case closed. (describe the shooting to any experienced police officer and ask them what they think)


6 posted on 02/02/2007 8:23:44 PM PST by neverhillorat (IF THE RATS WIN, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: neverhillorat

Isn't it true that the prosecutor has not entirely honest in what he provided to the jury about the smuggler.

If the case was so open and shut, why is there a gag order and the transcripts of the court case not been released after a year.

I'm not sure what to believe.


8 posted on 02/02/2007 8:44:42 PM PST by art_rocks
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To: neverhillorat
"...that no weapon was found..."

He escaped back into Mexico and was picked up by a waiting vehicle. There is no possible way to know if he had a gun or not. As the article notes, his wound is consistent with someone left handed, as this dirt bag was, turning to aim a weapon. Just take your cup of Koolade and wonder off.

18 posted on 02/03/2007 7:58:20 AM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: neverhillorat
"(describe the shooting to any experienced police officer and ask them what they think)"

I have. They all smell a rat.

19 posted on 02/03/2007 7:59:57 AM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: neverhillorat
This account skips a few small details, like the jury voted 12-0 that they were guilty, that no weapon was found, that they tried to hide the evidence, that the border patrolman that blew the whistle on these two lived in Arizona and didn`t know them but was offended by there actions,no account I read ever said there was a scuffle, and that both men were caught lying in court. Nobody likes illegals or drug runners, but we can`t give cops of any kind the right to shoot at people without cause. A jury of 12 Americans listened to all the testimony and convicted them. The judge followed federal guidelines and sentenced them. They have the right to appeal. Case closed. (describe the shooting to any experienced police officer and ask them what they think)

Where to start...

no weapon was found... because the smuggler escaped to Mexico therefore there is no way of knowing whether he had a gun or not. The border patrol agents testified they believed they saw a gun in his hand before they fired shots. The drug smuggler says he didn't have a gun. Family members of the drug smuggler say he always carried a gun. Which is credible?

they tried to hide the evidence... BP Agent Compean picked up his shell casings and threw them in the adjacent canal. Whether he was trying to "hide" anything is arguable.

the border patrolman that blew the whistle on these two lived in Arizona and didn`t know them but was offended by there actions.... The Az BP Agent (Rene Sanchez) had known the drug smuggler since he was a youth. The Az BP Agent aided the smuggler in hiring an attorney to file a claim against the US Government, crafting his story, and attaining an immunity deal. The Az BP Agent was given immunity by the U.S. Attorney for his testimony, in which he testified as a character witness for the drug smuggler.

no account I read ever said there was a scuffle... Several border patrol agents testified that BP agent Compean had been assaulted by the drug smuggler. Compean had a cut on his face and his hands were bleeding. The Supervisor failed to report that assault, as required by BP procedures.

both men were caught lying in court.... Please provide a source and detail as to what they lied about in court. I have seen no such allegation in all of the articles and press releases about this incident. According to the indictment, the charges against the agents were for 1) picking up the shell casings thereby a) impeding their use in a proceeding and b) altering the "crime" scene and 2) failing to verbally report to supervisors the discharge of a firearm which a) impeded a contemporaneous investigation surrounding the shooting and b) impeded the generation of a written report (as required of the supervisor).

22 posted on 02/03/2007 8:22:14 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: neverhillorat
You got your facts mixed up.

Border Patrol should have the right to shoot those who cross the border illegally. Actually, our military is more needed on the border than in Iraq.

26 posted on 02/03/2007 8:46:18 AM PST by Dante3
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To: neverhillorat

"that the border patrolman that blew the whistle on these two lived in Arizona and didn`t know them but was offended by there actions,"

That border patrol agent passed false information to the DHS investigator. The original story as documented in the March 14 OIG report was that the dealer was shot while trying to cross the border from Mexico to the United States and that he was shot in the groin. That was false. Further, there was no mention of the chase, being nearly hit with the butt of a shotgun or that the dealer was unarmed.

Either the dealer lied to his life-long friend, or Rene Sanchez was party to passing on false or incomplete information to a law enforcement authority. How different is that from Compean and Ramos's failure to document the discharge of their guns in their report about the marijuana found in the van? Shouldn't Rene Sanchez be investigated for obstruction of justice?

After all, the March 16 immunity agreement was based on the March 14, 2005 OIG report--which contained lies and omissions.


33 posted on 02/03/2007 12:44:54 PM PST by Sue Bob
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To: neverhillorat

like the jury voted 12-0 that they were guilty"

After the trial, two jurors gave sworn statements that they had been pressured to render a guilty verdict and did not understand that a hung jury was possible.

that no weapon was found"

No suspect was found either since he escaped into Mexico.


no account I read ever said there was a scuffle"

Ramos' fellow agent, Jose Alonso Compean, was lying on the ground behind him, banged up and bloody from a scuffle with the much-bigger smuggler moments earlier.
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4141562


81 posted on 02/05/2007 8:26:14 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: neverhillorat

Disgusting shill!


84 posted on 02/05/2007 8:31:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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