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One debate that I've never seen or heard about is whether we can vote ourselves into slavery.

We've had it here on FR many times in the past... Just last year I posted this:

--- the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment make it clear that the peoples rights to life, liberty, or property are not to be infringed, abridged or denied, -- by any level of government in the USA.

Marshall made much the same point in Marbury, back in 1803:
"-- The question, whether an act, repugnant to the constitution, can become the law of the land, is a question deeply interesting to the United States; but happily, not of an intricacy proportioned to its interest.
It seems only necessary to recognize certain principles, supposed to have been long and well established, to decide it.
That the people have an original right to establish, for their future govern-ment, such principles as, in their opinion, shall most conduce to their own happiness, is the basis on which the whole American fabric has been erected.
The exercise of this original right is a very great exertion; nor can it, nor ought it, to be frequently repeated. The principles, therefore, so established, are deemed fundamental.
And as the authority from which they proceed is supreme, and can seldom act, they are designed to be permanent. --"

Thus we see the fundamental principles of personal liberty in our Constitution as permanent.
Any amendments that violated those principles would be null, void, and repugnant at enactment.

Thanks for enlightening me on the "Can we vote ourselves into slavery?" question. I hadn't read any threads with that in them, as much as I hang here.

The real question is what do we do when a bunch of mental midgets fall for the Democrats' (and too many Republicans') empty promises of largesse from the government coffers, permanent protection from criminals, invaders, and life's other uncertainties, and vote to enslave us all by electing representatives who will enslave us all.

I've read the Claire Wolf quote, and actually used that with somebody yesterday. This whole line of conversation is dangerous, but it has to be held now rather than later. And this is way too public a place to do so, as you're both aware.

I don't really want to have that conversation, but the neo-Marxist elitists who run our country are backing everything I know and love into a tighter and tighter corner.