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Dakota Voice ^ | 1/29/2007 | Carrie K. Hutchens

Posted on 02/02/2007 3:49:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser

I don't know about anyone else, but I am still waiting for Michael Schiavo to make a correction on his blog about what "actually" took place in Colorado when he went there (to the debate) to supposedly ask Congresswoman Musgrave one question and she and her staff supposedly tried to have him removed. He called it, "My unreal night in Colorado - with radio link" (Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 08:05:14 PM PST). I'll say (from what I read) that it was his "unreal night".

As I said before in "Standing up and Admitting a Mistake: Not Schiavo's Style?",  if four uniformed officers were around my seat, I would have some idea of what was going on. I certainly wouldn't be sitting in "duh mode" to only be told later of what took place right there around me, as Michael suggests he was. If Michael's account is realistic -- his response and reaction is not. Nor is his response appropriate now that he has "learned" what he was "allegedly told" is not what took place. One would think if he can't get the words out that he was mistaken, he could at least have removed the inaccurate entry from his blog.

He has done neither.

I'm also still waiting to read about, "Also, maybe tomorrow I'll post about my election-eve rally with Bill Clinton in Florida." (A real election impact by Michael Schiavo, Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:40:34 AM PST).  Indeed, I would love to read that story by Michael, since I read it was not possible. Not if he was implying it was the Bill Clinton that is the former President of the United States. Will be interesting to see what he says about that if he ever does.

If Michael couldn't get it straight what happened at the Musgrave debate or even if he spent election-eve with former President Bill Clinton -- do you suppose he might have gotten Terri Schiavo's wishes mixed-up as well? (He does claim to have a bad memory from what I read.) Makes one wonder. At least makes me wonder. Whatever...

I'm still waiting for the corrections if not the explanations!

 

Carrie Hutchens is a former law enforcement officer and a freelance writer who is active in fighting against the death culture movement and the injustices within the judicial and law enforcement systems.


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Mitt Romney has started to look good in recent times. However, looks like someone handed him a nice refreshing glass of Kool Aid and he gulped it down. Maybe, just maybe, someone will whisper the truth in his ear and galvanize his new found stands on pro-life. I am guessing he simply has not delved deeply into what pro-life means yet and is looking at the shallow takes from the MSM for clues.

TAMPA -- He's campaigning hard for support from Republican social conservatives, but presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Saturday he disagreed with the government's intervention in the Terri Schiavo case.

"I think it's probably best to leave these kinds of matters in the hands of the courts," Romney said in a television interview airing today.

Polls showed most voters, including most Republicans, opposed Congress and the Florida Legislature intervening in 2005 to bypass court rulings and force the profoundly brain-damaged Pinellas woman's feeding tube to be reinserted.

Romney's position puts him at odds with a portion of the Republican base he is courting aggressively and with former Gov. Jeb Bush, many of whose key advisers and Florida donors are backing the former Massachusetts governor.

Romney says government was wrong in Schiavo case

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681 posted on 03/11/2007 3:53:18 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Thanks to that MSM Kool Aid, Adelaide like many posters here on FreeRepublic, never quite got the truth, accepted the shallow substitute being sipped by Mitt Romney as I type. Poor Adelaide actually believed Terri's condition was as Mikey portrayed it.

In a letter dated March 19, 2005, she wrote with compassion and directness a letter to the editor, which was really meant for the parents of Terri Schiavo. They were fighting to keep their daughter on life-support systems in what had become one of the most politically charged and highly public private decisions in the country at that time.

Adelaide and her husband, Joe, who died last April, had lost their son Richard when he was just 41. She urged the Schiavos to "let go."

"Fourteen years is long enough to deny Terri the peace of a dignified death," Adelaide wrote. "Her parents need to be told: Terri may be out of the reach of your hands, but she will never be out of the reach of your hearts . . ."

Although she is gone, her democrat votes will continue on to 2008 and beyond in grand tradition. I would like to think upon her death a few days ago, she suddenly had a relevation of the truth and died with the truth rather than the patent lies she embraced.

Dying on her own terms

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682 posted on 03/11/2007 4:03:47 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Thread by wagglebee on the land where I spent my youth, a land so changed I can hardly recognize it anymore. Smoking cigarettes is real bad but snuff is kewl.

SALEM, Oregon, March 9, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) – It is the ninth year of legal physician assisted suicide (PAS) in Oregon and the state has released its annual report on patients whose lives were ended by legal assisted suicide. This year, euthanasia opponents are pointing to the more ambiguous language in this year’s report saying that the Department of Human Services yielded to pressure by euthanasia activists to cloud the debate.

Under the Death with Dignity Act (DWDA), patients can obtain a prescription for lethal doses of self-administered medications. 65 such prescriptions were given in the last year, written by 40 different doctors. 35 patients took the drugs meant to end their lives and 11 patients used prescriptions made out in previous years, giving the total number of suicides under the DWDA as 46 during 2006, eight more than in 2005.

Unlike reports from previous years, the 2006 annual report uses the phrase, “those patients who participated in the Act” to avoid using the more direct term “physician assisted suicide”.

Eighth Annual Oregon Assisted Suicide Report Shorter with More Ambiguous Language

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683 posted on 03/11/2007 4:10:28 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Coleus; wagglebee; bjs1779; T'wit; BykrBayb
Ping to a kidney parts market thread by Tolerance Sucks Rocks. Thanks, Coleus. Interesting discussion an article in the WSJ of the values and "morals" of the organ markets for various kidneys, gizzards, and other giblets, all to viewing a communistic and dark side perspective of those who see the dilemma from their perches as little gods.

The nation's organ-transplant network is preparing a major change in how it rations scarce kidneys that would favor young patients over old in an effort to wring more life out of donated organs.

Today, a donated kidney generally goes to the person who has been waiting longest in the region in which it becomes available, with exceptions made for certain medical factors. A kidney from a 25-year-old donor could be transplanted into a 75-year-old, who is likely to die years before the kidney would have stopped working.

More Kidneys For Transplants May Go to Young

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684 posted on 03/11/2007 4:38:40 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: pbmaltzman
Strangulation is the first place to look, since we know the injury was due to massive loss of oxygen. Terri had a stiff neck that bothered her the rest of her life, but showed none of the marks or bruises common in either manual and ligature strangulation. So far as we know, she did not have petechiae -- tiny burst blood vessel spots, especially near the eyes -- that are characteristic of strangulation. Other common symptoms such as hoarseness of voice or mental confusion would be impossible to track in Terri's case.

Strangulation may occur without any of these visible symptoms (and it is not uncommon), so we can't rule it out. Furthermore, Terri was subjected to fairly brutal emergency procedures in the struggle to revive her. She had a tracheotomy -- surgical insertion of a breathing tube into her neck. In these conditions (medics assure me), it would have been easy for ER personnel to miss or misidentify any marks or symptoms from strangulation.

So at this point, we have no good reason to rule out strangulation but no positive or visible reason to support the theory either.

That is all the further we would get except for the bone scan. This amazing document was hidden away by Michael and his lawyers for 11 years. They HAD to hide it from the malpractice jury. It would have instantly cleared the doctors who were being -- falsely -- sued.

We have only the brief bone scan report, not the radiographs themselves, but that is damning enough. At some point Terri suffered terrific trauma -- comparable to being in a nasty auto wreck. ("Looks like somebody beat the crap out of her," a doc told me.)

We cannot date these injuries (the bone scan was 13 months after Terri was injured), but they are well within the range of possibility. We assume they were the results from the night of February 25, 1990. If not, then we have TWO impossible mysteries to explain. There is no other factual explanation for these traumas, so that's out of court.

The injuries shown in the bone scan are very odd. They have the force of a beating or auto wreck, yes, but the damage is in strange places. There was trauma that broke Terri's back at L1 [compression fracture] and fractured the back of several adjacent ribs. (Broken ribs are not uncommon from emergency resuscitation, but not at the back of the ribs like these injuries.) There was a bone bruise on her right femur -- another injury that takes an enormous amount of force. Other injuries shown by the bone scan need not concern us, but they confirm that she was handled roughly.

I have come to believe that one and only one kind of attack explains every known symptom and fact of the case. It would have to be an attack from behind to explain the spine and rib fractures. It would have to cause asphyxia, to explain Terri's brain damage. It would have to explain her two very odd blood chemistry readings -- admission level hypokalemia (meaning bad enough that she needs emergency treatment) and lactic acidosis -- a condition caused by extreme exertion in the absence of oxygen. (Like "runner's burn" after an all-out sprint.)

Michael and Terri were known to be having a huge argument that day. Terri went to sleep. Michael had to work late at his restaurant job, probably fuming all evening that he had to work because the b*tch spent $80 on her hair. I believe he came home steaming angry, dragged her out of bed, wrestled her down (she ended up face down on the hallway floor a few feet from the bed). He got on her back, pinning her with both knees -- one in the small of her back where the spine and rib fractures occurred, the other on her thigh (bone bruise). His left hand pinned her head to the floor (producing the stiff neck that bothered her the rest of her days). Michael is 6'-6", 260 pounds, where Terri was 115 and unathletic. He would have handled her like a rag doll.

What he did not know, evidently, is that this position is quickly fatal for the restrained person. (Death from such restraint is well known in law enforcement when the cops get a little too vigorous. That's why it is called positional or restraint asphyxia.) With force on one's back, head sideways on the floor, the person simply cannot breathe. The end is fast. Within seconds the victim will be unconscious. If the pressure is not relieved, the victim will go into cardiac arrest. And of course that is exactly what happened to Terri. There is no dispute about that. (Note that she did not have a heart attack; in fact her heart was still healthy at her death fifteen years later.)

The kind of hypokalemia Terri suffered is characteristic of trauma. Her lactic acidosis simply means she was fighting desperately to breathe. The fractures and internal injuries are like a photograph of a large man on her back.

Such is my reconstruction, and as far as I can see, it accounts for every fact on the police and medical record. It is just a theory, of course, but there is no other theory out there. As usual, I invite the world to find any fatal flaw in it.

Here is a link to a great deal more information on positional asphyxia:

Patient Restraint and Restraint Asphyxia

And here are a couple of photos (from the same site) showing roughly the position of Terri's attacker. Note the officer's knee on the restrainee's thigh in the second. If the officer had put his other knee in the small of the back and his hand on the neck, that would complete the picture of the assault on Terri as I see it.


685 posted on 03/11/2007 6:32:57 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit

cc: Jodi Centonze Schiavo, Brian Schiavo, Joan Schiavo.


686 posted on 03/11/2007 6:33:33 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit
Such is my reconstruction, and as far as I can see, it accounts for every fact on the police and medical record. It is just a theory, of course, but there is no other theory out there. As usual, I invite the world to find any fatal flaw in it.

What do you make of the notion suggested elsewhere on FR that constriction of the carotid artery may have been a factor?

Also, I find the lack of law-enforcement interest in this case troubling. From what I understand, "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" means that the evidence is consistent with a scenario where the accused is guilty, but not with any plausible scenario where the accused is not guilty. In this case, the evidence is consistent with a number of scenarios in which Michael caused Terri's injuries, but not with any plausible scenario I can identify in which he did not. In what way is that not "proof beyond a reasonable doubt"?

687 posted on 03/11/2007 8:52:24 AM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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>> What do you make of the notion suggested elsewhere on FR that constriction of the carotid artery may have been a factor?

It is not needed for my hypothesis. Carotid arterial flow would have ceased upon cardiac arrest.

It IS needed in this scenario that Michael pin her with his knees, as given, to square it with the bone scan. If, as I suspect, he also held her neck to the floor with his left hand, it MAY have impeded carotid arterial flow on top of everything else. If he intended to stop her blood flow, that would make it attempted murder instead of a crime of passion. But I think he was bent on "disciplining" her, not murdering her. His dazed behavior later probably is due to his thinking he killed her by mistake.

Unlike the police restraint photos, Michael had no need to restrain Terri's arms. They could do nothing -- neither hurt him or break the hold. She was found with one hand reaching for her throat, perhaps to try vainly to pull his hand away.

688 posted on 03/11/2007 9:30:14 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: supercat
>> I find the lack of law-enforcement interest in this case troubling.

Me too! So does anyone who looks closely. The investigation was a sham, even if we believe the so-called true copy which is all that survives of the police report (the original is gone). There was no forensic investigation at all. No follow-up. The cops gave Michael a pass even when he volunteered lies to them that should have set off alarm bells. Lieutenant Columbo would have marched him off in handcuffs that very morning.

Some say the homicide police simply lost interest when Terri survived. Perhaps, but it's awfully thin. They are supposed to be alert to attempted homicide too, after all.

Something stinks but I don't know what. Michael has been under the protective wing of LE agencies ever since.

689 posted on 03/11/2007 9:38:07 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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I quote Cheryl Ford again, as she reports calls made to the St. Petersburg Police Department, "They claim to have been ordered not to investigate it, or any other complaints involving Michael Schiavo, "...at the direction of the State Attorney's office and Judge Greer."

Moreover, the only person on the scene questioned by the police officer was Michael, nobody else.

"Would his perception have changed if he had asked these questions of Bobby? Would his perception have changed if he had posed these questions to Terri's father, and learned of Micheal"s ongoing treatment by a psychiatrist for the depression that led to his choking attack of Bobby during a fit of rage? What would the police officer have thought if he knew the warnings his psychiatrist had given Mr. Schindler about calling the police at the first sign of Michael's dangerously volatile tempers? Could the rather spontaneous appearance of Michael's attorney have influenced his inquiries?" ...


690 posted on 03/11/2007 11:25:11 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; All

"..presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Saturday he disagreed with the government's intervention in the Terri Schiavo case. .."

Guess Romney took a poll.


691 posted on 03/11/2007 1:22:43 PM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: Sun
>> Guess Romney took a poll.

The wrong one, then. He was wooing conservatives until now... claiming his earlier liberalism was all a mistake, that he was a changed person. He should have listened to us on this one, not to the DNC.

Y'know, FR had a presidential preference poll a while back. I cast my vote for Mitt, on the general theory that I couldn't stand John McCain, didn't want Rudy let out of New York state, and didn't think anyone else had a chance. It didn't take long for Romney to take himself off my radar!

Hey, Mitt, you blew it. But so it goes in politics. I learned long ago never, ever, ever to trust a politician or a political "solution."

692 posted on 03/11/2007 1:59:58 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: 8mmMauser

I bought Cheryl's book but have barely started reading it and have not used it for reference material. Yet! (I do look forward to reading more.) I imagine I have looked at a goodly number of the same source documents that she did, though.


693 posted on 03/11/2007 2:05:46 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit

Yep, Romney blew it.

I hope none of the front runners are the GOP nominee.


btw, I just heard Matt Drudge play clips about Giuliani being pro-abortion.


"There must be public funding for abortions for poor women," Giuliani said.

He also said that you cannot deny a poor women money for abortions, and Rudy said that he disagreed with President Bush's veto about money going to poor women.

Rudy made these comments in 1989.

You can see in my tagline who I like - he has a very strong pro-life history.


694 posted on 03/11/2007 8:16:42 PM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Subsequent to my post #681 yesterday, a separate thread has been started by Eternal Vigilance and followed up with plenty of commentary. Ping to this thread on the stand taken by Mitt Romney.

TAMPA -- He's campaigning hard for support from Republican social conservatives, but presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Saturday he disagreed with the government's intervention in the Terri Schiavo case.

"I think it's probably best to leave these kinds of matters in the hands of the courts," Romney said in a television interview airing today.

Romney says government was wrong in Schiavo case

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695 posted on 03/12/2007 4:18:59 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; EternalVigilance; cgk; FairOpinion

Bump and thanks to cgk and Fair Opinion for pinging me to the above thread by Eternal Vigilance.

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696 posted on 03/12/2007 4:21:51 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Sun

I see that Mitt started a new war between Freepers and the Hattus Tinfoilus clan. That is a microcosm of the damage he did to himself in the Republican Party. So long, Mitt Romney! And good riddance.


697 posted on 03/12/2007 4:33:28 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: 8mmMauser

I'll add one little note here where it will be understood. The battering and threatened execution of another innocent happened in Mitt's administration on Mitt's watch -- Haleigh Poutre.


698 posted on 03/12/2007 4:35:29 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit
Thanks for your explanation of how Terri's injuries occurred. I had surmised strangulation, but had not surmised an attack *from behind.*

I seem to recall that in some medical report about Terri somewhere, that her injuries were mentioned as being consistent with strangulation or attempted strangulation. Maybe I am misremembering.

It also seems to me, from what I've read, that Michael has led some kind of charmed life under the protection of law enforcement agencies, since they obviously didn't push the investigation too hard. He seems to have low friends in high places.

Another thing I find highly ironic is the penchant of large men and small women for each other. In cases like this, it can sure lead to a tragic ending.

699 posted on 03/12/2007 4:36:04 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: All
Recent articles on increasing public awareness of what constitutes brain damage, just may be credited to the spotlight shone by the Legacy of Terri. Two years later, the interest still grows and spreads, to the chagrin of the MSM and the leftists, making it more difficult for the death dealers to operate in the shadows.

Headline-grabbing news stories involving severely brain-damaged patients such as Terri Schiavo and Terry Wallis aren't doing much to clear up the public's confusion surrounding brain injury and the likelihood that specific patients will recover, say experts at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center.

But more and better research on the issue -- especially a nationwide, epidemiological study on just how and where severely brain-injured patients are being cared for -- could help, according to a commentary written by NewYork-Presbyterian/Weill Cornell physician-scientists and published recently in Neurology, the journal of the American Academy of Neurology. The paper reports on an Institutes of Medicine (IOM) exploratory meeting on disorders of consciousness.

Experts Urge More Research, Awareness Of 'Minimally Conscious State' - Too Little National Data On This Form Of Brain Injury

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700 posted on 03/12/2007 4:40:59 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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