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Bush won't pardon agents immediately (Duncan Hunter and Others Continue to Push)
Star-Telegram ^ | Feb. 01, 2007 | DAVE MONTGOMERY

Posted on 02/01/2007 5:44:17 AM PST by GulfBreeze

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These guys need to be free and at the very least "Free on Appeal".
1 posted on 02/01/2007 5:44:20 AM PST by GulfBreeze
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To: GulfBreeze

***But to federal prosecutor Johnny Sutton and his defenders, the two Texas-based agents abridged the public trust by attempting to cover up an unauthorized shooting and must face the consequences.*****

They needed firing ,not jailing.


2 posted on 02/01/2007 5:51:02 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: GulfBreeze

What does the Prez care, he's not in jail with a bunch of guys he put there.


3 posted on 02/01/2007 5:52:36 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: GulfBreeze
"On the face of it, the administration is taking the side of the bad guys," Rohrabacher said.

Assclown.

The administration is taking the side of the law. While I agree that these guys deserve a pardon review, they filed false reports and hid evidence.

Every LEO knows that if they get caught doing this stuff, they are going to be made an example of.

4 posted on 02/01/2007 5:53:17 AM PST by wideawake
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To: GulfBreeze

"In an interview on the Fox television network Wednesday, Bush again said he is bound by strict federal guidelines on pardons and cannot immediately grant a pardon to the two agents."

This is crap. The laws which set up the review boards specifically state that notwithstanding those laws, NOTHING
interferes with a president's power to issue pardons on his own initiative any time he wants.

The "I have to wait for the process to end" line is a cop-out. The buck stops at the President's desk, and he's
avoiding it.

These guys may or may not have overreacted; but the penalty for that should be a suspension without pay for a couple of months, not a prison term, which for LE is much worse
than an ordinary citizen to boot.

And while the pardon boards and federal attorneys and review boards sit on their fat behinds every day, these
guys will be in prison every day.

To borrow a slogan from a recent demonstration, "END IT NOW, MR. BUSH!"


5 posted on 02/01/2007 5:54:30 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: GulfBreeze

Sorry, these guys abused their position of authority, covered up the scene, and shot an unarmed man ( they knew he was unarmed ) in the back, obstructed justice and failed to report any of it. If you or I did this we would be in jail. These two belong in jail.


6 posted on 02/01/2007 5:56:08 AM PST by joe fonebone (Either grow a pair, or vacate your chair...)
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To: GulfBreeze

Unfortunately, this incident will probably discourage qualified people from working for the border patrol. They will figure, "What the hell...we have to fight the bad guys AND our own government...forgetaboutit". Political correctness (weakness) has a price to be paid. Sad.


7 posted on 02/01/2007 6:02:50 AM PST by GoldenPup
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Bush has a stubborn streak in him a mile long. It's not in his best interest.

sw

8 posted on 02/01/2007 6:16:40 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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Let the trial go through the appeals motion. If that doesn't work then pardon them.


9 posted on 02/01/2007 6:21:00 AM PST by nepppen
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Sorry, these guys abused their position of authority

'These guys' have arrest authority. The 'suspect' was fleeing arrest. Is there something wrong with those having arrest authority using it?

and shot an unarmed man ( they knew he was unarmed ) in the back

Where do you find this information? Even if true, what is wrong with those having arrest authority using that authority? Where is that so-called 'authority' if the enforcers have to jump through hoops to exercise it? The law should be there to protect society, not criminals.

10 posted on 02/01/2007 6:25:45 AM PST by 1_Of_We
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To: GulfBreeze

Bush wants to be free to 'give a pass to Democrats' like Sandy
Burger, but for these guys he wants to make sure no border agent messes with his open border policy. Is he getting a cut of the drug traffic? This policy makes reason stare.


11 posted on 02/01/2007 6:32:17 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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. . . willfully violating Aldrete-Davila's constitutional right to be free from illegal seizure.

Since when does an illegal alien crossing the border illegally have any "constitutional" rights?

IMO, they should shoot all illegals in the butt as soon as they step onto American soil.

12 posted on 02/01/2007 6:33:06 AM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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There is an appellate process in our judicial system. This case needs to work its way through that process. They were convicted, like it or not, by citizens of the area they live and work in. These citizens sat in the jury box, heard the evidence, the demeanor of the witnesses, their credibility, the cross examinations of both the witnesses and evidence, received the jury instructions and unanimously voted guilty on 11 of the 12 charges.

Ramos/Compean are either guilty as charged, had incompetent trial lawyers, had a weak case, the jury was bought off, or trial errors occurred. The appellate process will examine the process to determine if their are grounds for remand, set aside, etc... Let it work as designed.
13 posted on 02/01/2007 6:33:33 AM PST by deport
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I think the agents deserve a pardon, and I think the prosecutor is over the top, but the agents have dirty hands. They probably deserve to be fired, but not imprisoned.
14 posted on 02/01/2007 6:33:39 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Liberty Wins

They should switch to rubber bullets and give em HE**


15 posted on 02/01/2007 6:37:17 AM PST by nepppen
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But then we would be required to air drop safety glasses into Mexico. /sarc


16 posted on 02/01/2007 6:38:28 AM PST by nepppen
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but the agents have dirty hands

Will someone please explain how anyone can do dirty work without getting their hands dirty at times? I believe most right thinking people resent that these agents were prosecuted at all... while another certified criminal goes free on a 'technicality'.

17 posted on 02/01/2007 6:42:35 AM PST by 1_Of_We
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They probably deserve to be fired.

If you had heard Rohrbacher's interview on Fox, you might be dialing the White House in outrage at this very moment.

The White House number is 202-456-1111.

18 posted on 02/01/2007 6:43:38 AM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: wolfcreek

If one of these agents is killed or stabbed while in prison, President Bush will lose another bunch of Representatives for whatever he wants to do with the rest of his Administration.


19 posted on 02/01/2007 6:43:49 AM PST by Truth29
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To: GulfBreeze
"On the face of it, the administration is taking the side of the bad guys," Rohrabacher said.

Oh please. Pardons aren't something that a president (unless he's x42) scribbles out like a grocery list. There's a process to the matter and that process is being followed. How hard is that to understand?

The union that represents most nonsupervisory Border Patrol agents is also waging a vigorous campaign to obtain pardons for the two agents. "The front-line agents, the ones who actually do the work, are extremely upset," said T. J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council. "They're very concerned that the same thing could happen to them."

Right. Well, if you follow procedure and don't try to cover-up a snafu out in the field, you won't run into any of the same problems.

It chaps my hide that these agents are acting like they're nothing but a couple of babes in the woods. If they'd followed procedure instead of trying to cover up a shooting, nothing would probably have ever come of the situation. No drug dealer is going to come back across the border to lodge a complaint when he has 750 lbs. of weed to own up to, and no D.A. is going to go after a couple of border patrol officers who did what they were supposed to do.

20 posted on 02/01/2007 6:44:52 AM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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