More Anti-Mormon Sniping from the McCain Camp

My Man Mitt.com ^ | 1/31/07 | Justin

[RightSideRedux]

Romney's visit in South Carolina had a not so surprising McCain/Anti-mormon moment.

[LeGrande]

What did I say that was "hateful?"

This coming from a Mormon basher? LOL

Have you ever heard the term "Born in the Covenant?"

I believe the term is 'Born under the Covenant."

I firmly believe that all politicians worship the same God. The God of power and money. It doesn't matter if they grew up Baptist, Lutheran, Mormon or Muslim, they found their true God and they are true disciples.

Having said that, I think that it is fair to attack a politician on the basis of their religion. Lets just be accurate about the religion that they believe, not the religion that they profess.

[colorcountry]

Sorry LeGrande it is "Born in the Covenant."

That is why, when you look at your geneology you will see the initial "BIC" on the worksheet. It stands for Born in Covenant.

What else don't you know about the LDS Church? I'm sure you can faind valuable information on the web.

[msnimje]

I think that it is fair to attack a politician on the basis of their religion

Dude, this country was founded to counter that exact thing.

[BMIC]

Back off on the attacks against "people" from Bob Jones U. Hard-core Catholics believe that all Protestants are going to hell, so if a group of conservative Protestants says that they believe Catholics are going to hell, it's only fair.

But let's NOT get sidetracked into a debate about the relative merits of any particular denomination's Theology, please.

When it comes to McCain's camp, he's often thought of as being prejudiced against people of most ALL faiths. So today his peeps are attacking one person for being a Mormon, the next he'll go after somebody else for being a Baptist or a Catholic. It's his intolerance of conservative people of faith in general that makes him unfit for the candidacy, IMHO.

[redgirlinabluestate]

Why is talking openly about these things perceived as hate?

It is not necessarily hate (although the balance of your posts indicate an extremely negative obsession towards one religion and not others bordering on hate). However, more importantly, your posts are misguided and irrelevant to the issue of the presidential election in general.

While I think most discussion of one's religion should be kept separate from the discussion of politics, it is more understandable with the Muslim religion given the fact that the radical adherents of that religion are anti-American and are focused on destroying our country, abolishing our constitution and imposing sharia law over us and the rest of the world. So some discussion about the type of Muslim one is and the mind-set of one's Muslim family and friends seems prudent. Not based on the religion per se, but more on the world view as it relates to anti-Americanism and any conflicts that may cause in respect to carrying out one's duty for our country.

Romney is not running for Chief Spiritual Leader. He is running for Commander in Chief. And, until such time one can demonstrate that adherents of the Mormon religion are anti-American and are focused on destroying our country, abolishing our constitution and imposing their laws over us and the world I think his religion is patently irrelevant.

Identity group politics and religious blacklisting is a leftist specialty -- it should not be a conservative practice.

[LeGrande]

Check out http://www.mormonchic.com/gospel/lds_lingo.asp

The common phrase is born under the covenant. You enter into a covenant.

Why would I look at my genealogy? Thats what the old people in the church do.

What else don't you know about the LDS Church? I'm sure you can faind valuable information on the web.

Then you should take your own advice. I think I amply demonstrated last time that I know more about the real Mormon church than you do and I haven't stepped foot in a church in over 15 years.

[LeGrande]

Did you catch my definition of what their religion was?

[colorcountry]

Identity group politics and religious blacklisting is a leftist specialty -- it should not be a conservative practice.

I'm sorry redgirlinabluestate, neither is the practice of silencing your opponent by using Political Correctness a conservative practice. It too, is better left to the lefties.

I think I've explained appropriately why my focus is on Mormonism, and not upon Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Buddism, Taoism or any of the other ..."isms."

My knowledge is Mormonism. Should I remain silent because I know little of all those other religions?

What a candidate believes is vital to judging his character. You said, "Romney is not running for Chief Spiritual Leader. He is running for Commander in Chief." I could say the same about the personal lives of Guiliani or McCain whenever they are attacked for their marital status.

He is not running for Husband of the Year. He is running for commander in Chief. Now if a candidate thought that he would one day become a god, I would have a question about his sanity.

[colorcountry]

I don't believe you have. Check out the official LDS website. http://lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.062a5ea6a5e8d8661b622015f1e543a0?vgnextoid=84010fd41d93b010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&hideNav=1&bucket=AllChurchContent&query=born+in+the+covenant&submit=Search

I'm sorry, but mormonchic.com isn't an approved LDS site.

[BMIC]

IMO the ONLY way that any candidate's religion is of note is to the extent that their religion has an official position on a relevant political issue, for example abortion, AND the candidate has a record of agreeing with his or her religion's official position on said issue.

For example when it comes to Mormonism, I think it has been said that the Mormon church's official position allows for abortion under certain cirumstances. IF a Mormon candidate has a record of agreeing with that position, then those who oppose abortion for ANY reason would wish to reconsider our support for the candidate.

[Lib-Lickers 2]

I'm waiting for McLame's phony "Voter Catholic Alert" to crank up

[redgirlinabluestate]

IMO the ONLY way that any candidate's religion is of note is to the extent that their religion has an official position on a relevant political issue, for example abortion, AND the candidate has a record of agreeing with his or her religion's official position on said issue.

Wow. That sounds like those people in the 60's who worried that the Pope would control JFK and impose Catholic law upon the United States. I am pretty sure Romney has said 100 times, if not 1000, that his church will not dictate policy. What he has also said is that he is pro-life and he wishes ''the laws of our nation could reflect that view." Calling the country ''divided over abortion," he says states ''should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate."

As a pro-life person, I am glad he has seen the light on this issue. Also, whether we like it or not, I think polls indicate that a majority of Republicans agree with the proposition that the states should decide the issue.

[redgirlinabluestate]

Identity group politics and religious blacklisting is a leftist specialty -- it should not be a conservative practice.

neither is the practice of silencing your opponent by using Political Correctness a conservative practice. It too, is better left to the lefties.

Nobody said your posts should be silenced, only that they are misguided and irrelevant to the issue. FreepOn.

[colorcountry]

Thank you.

No one that I know questions Mitt's right to run. We question his ability to govern. So what are we "allowed" to base our assumptions.

What someone believes, isn't inborn, it isn't genetic, or something that cannot be overcome like color of skin, or gender.

What someone believes...their outlook on life, goes to the very heart of what makes for a good President.

I will not allow "political correctness," to define for me the worth of a man. Especially when it comes to something that goes to the very core of his soul.

I'm glad that you won't either.

[LeGrande]

Mormons just don't commonly say "Born in the Covenant' They say "Born under the covenant' if they say it all.

The reason I am harping on this is it is a bit like being able to tell what part of the country a person is from by their speech patterns. If someone says, "y'all" to me I generally think they are a Southerner. If someone says, "eh" to me I am pretty sure they are from Canada.

The stuff you write about Mormons has an odd slant to it. You twist your opinions in a peculiar way to put Mormon beliefs in the worst possible light. It is as if most of what you know about Mormons came from anti-Mormon propaganda instead of Sunday School and Seminary. It is the phrasing rather than what you actually write.

By the way, would you consider Margaret Pope (McConkies sister) a reliable source? We are going swimming in her pool this afternoon and I can ask her which is the common phrase, under or in?

[colorcountry]

Nice dodge.

Is McConkie's sister also a professed agnostic, like you?

[colorcountry]

I found this wonderful information about Ms. Pope.

by Margaret McConkie Pope

To Latter-day Saints, exaltation is a state that a person can attain in becoming like God—salvation in the ultimate sense (D&C 132:17). Latter-day Saints believe that all mankind (except the sons of perdition) will receive varying degrees of glory in the afterlife. Exaltation is the greatest of all the gifts and attainments possible. It is available only in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom and is reserved for members of the Church of the Firstborn. This exalted status, called eternal life, is available to be received by a man and wife. It means not only living in God's presence, but receiving power to do as God does, including the power to bear children after the resurrection (TPJS, pp. 300-301; D&C 132:19). Blessings and privileges of exaltation require unwavering faith, repentance, and complete obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

In a revelation to the Prophet Joseph Smith, the Savior stated the following conditions: "Strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the lives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me" (D&C 132:22).

All Church ordinances lead to exaltation, and the essential crowning ordinances are the Endowment and the eternal marriage covenant of the temple (D&C 131:1-4, 132).

(See Basic Beliefs home page; Teachings About the Afterlife home page; The Doctrinal Exclusion by Stephen E. Robinson; Biblical Support for Deification)

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:i3L9kMIIa9IJ:www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/afterlife/exaltation_eom.htm+Margaret+McConkie+Pope&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

[Plutarch]

We question his ability to govern...[based on]... what someone believes...

Do you have a shred of evidence, a scintilla even, that Romney's religion has affected his ability to govern as Governor of Massachusetts, or running the Olympics, or being an extremely successful businessman? If his wierdo beliefs are affecting his ability to govern, maybe like Grant's whiskey, it should be distributed to the other candidates.

[colorcountry]

It will be.

[wideminded]

I used to work for a company where there were a lot of Mormons in executive positions and among the employees. I could never agree with their religion (for one thing I'm an atheist), but I would vote for a lot of those guys for public office. As you say, most of them were very fine people. They were some of the most solid, trustworthy, level-headed people I have encountered.