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Do you remember Vietnam? Even after we had broken the back of the insurgents (wiped out VC at TET), we pulled out and then reneged on our promises to the South Vietnam government to provide arms and ammunition. Newly elected Dem congress following Watergate cut off funding to Vietnam and North Vietnamese regulars came down swiftly and took over the country. You dont see that about to happen? You have your eyes closed and your fingers and toes crossed. Besides, if this lastest surge doesnt provide real results by the end of the Summer, Bush is going to be looking for a way out.

Always the voice of optimism you are Dave, of course I remember Vietnam, and so does President George W. Bush. I may disagree with the President on more than few issues but the one thing I do believe is that as long as he is sitting in the Oval Office, he is not about to be a party to an American defeat in Iraq. It is because of Vietnam and the cowards, traitors and appeasers who brought about that debacle that you are NOT going to see that happen again. And I don't have my "eyes closed" nor do I have my fingers and toes crossed. What I DO have is unshakable faith in my Country, and in our military forces, and you would be well advised to try and find some of your own instead of running around like a damn Chicken Little.

What I DO have is unshakable faith in my Country, and in our military forces, and you would be well advised to try and find some of your own instead of running around like a damn Chicken Little.

Dont get pissy with me. Get on Bush for refusing to unleash our military to end this thing decisively. Driving around patrolling in humvees serving as targets is not my idea of taking the fight to the enemy. Fabricate if we have to, but come up with an excuse to go in and level Sadr City and whereever else the Mahdi army has support. If people mass in the streets to protest, bring out AC-130 gunships and empty the streets. Make it a capital offense to be found with anything larger than a handgun and a couple clips of amo. Bring in a couple divisions of Kurds to do the policing in Baghdad. I'm sure they would show everyone the proper courtesy. Mine the frickin borders with Syria, Jordan, and Iran. Shot anything that moves along the border at night and force all entering the country to go through the kind of search we are forced to take at the airports. Also find out where the varous Iraqi leaders get their money (oil or whatever, and cut it off..maybe have some bank funds disappear). Convince them that if they dont get with the program, they as well as their power can disappear as well.