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Obama: 'The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact'...
examiner.com ^ | Jan. 31, 2007 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 01/31/2007 6:01:03 AM PST by Risha

WASHINGTON - Although he frequently makes a point of finding something charitable to say about his opponents’ arguments, Sen. Barack Obama almost always ends up voting liberal.

“The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact,” the Illinois Democrat wrote in “The Audacity of Hope,” a memoir published last year. “Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal.”

Obama has a 95 percent liberal rating from Americans for Democratic Reform, a liberal advocacy group that ranks all members of Congress. Yet he is often portrayed as a centrist.

“His record is liberal, and his rhetoric is moderate,” explained Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics.

For example, Obama goes out of his way to voice approval of at least some aspects of Ronald Reagan’s presidency.

“At times, in arguments with some of my friends on the left, I would find myself in the curious position of defending aspects of Reagan’s worldview,” he wrote in “Audacity.” “When the Berlin Wall came tumbling down, I had to give the old man his due, even if I never gave him my vote.”

But in summing up Reagan, Obama concluded that the former president’s “clarity about communism seemed matched by his blindness regarding other sources of misery in the world.”

By pointing out the merits of both sides of an argument, Obama often sounds statesmanlike, even if he almost never ends up siding with conservatives. This dichotomy can be seen in Obama’s analysis of President Bush’s foreign policy.

“I agree with George W. Bush when in his second inaugural address he proclaimed a universal desire to be free,” Obama wrote. “But there are few examples in history in which the freedom men and women crave is delivered through outside intervention.”

If Obama survives the Democratic primaries and becomes his party’s presidential nominee, his liberal positions will not necessarily hurt him among the centrist voters who cast ballots in the general election, according to Charlie Cook, editor of the Cook Political Report.

How you come across is more important than how you vote,” Cook said. “If voters perceive you as moderate, then your voting record isn’t terribly relevant. Perception is more important than reality.”


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1 posted on 01/31/2007 6:01:04 AM PST by Risha
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cornseritves ur dumberest bump
2 posted on 01/31/2007 6:02:14 AM PST by Risha (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God)
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“I agree with George W. Bush when in his second inaugural address he proclaimed a universal desire to be free,” Obama wrote. “But there are few examples in history in which the freedom men and women crave is delivered through outside intervention.”

And yet he believes that monetary hand-outs from "government on high" will provide poor people with freedom from want. Hm.

3 posted on 01/31/2007 6:03:13 AM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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Obama is a Socialist. He is not a threat and he will have a hard road ahead of him trying to get past the Clintonistas.


4 posted on 01/31/2007 6:04:26 AM PST by Paige
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“But there are few examples in history in which the freedom men and women crave is delivered through outside intervention.”

This has to be the single most asinine statement I have ever read in my 52 years on this planet!

Jag!


5 posted on 01/31/2007 6:04:34 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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But in summing up Reagan, Obama concluded that the former president’s “clarity about communism seemed matched by his blindness regarding other sources of misery in the world.”

Ahhh, liberals. If a successful conservative idea does not solve every ill, it is an utter failure.
If a liberal idea does nothing but makes people feel good about trying to help, it is a smashing success.

No disconnect there! That's an ideology that is clearly based on fact and reason, right?

6 posted on 01/31/2007 6:05:24 AM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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“I agree with George W. Bush when in his second inaugural address he proclaimed a universal desire to be free,” Obama wrote. “But there are few examples in history in which the freedom men and women crave is delivered through outside intervention.”

Should be rephrased: But there are few examples that I will admit to in history in which the freedom men and women crave is delivered through outside intervention.

Lafayette?

7 posted on 01/31/2007 6:06:09 AM PST by just a dude
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'The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact'...

Oh, this is gonna go over well in the red bits....

8 posted on 01/31/2007 6:07:43 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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Let's look at a couple of liberal arguments:
Convicted murder's should not be killed, just innocent babies

Honest citizens should not be allowed to carry guns, just criminals

It's for the children, those children that we haven't killed and thrown in the garbage.

Sure looks reasonable to me! (Sarc off(
9 posted on 01/31/2007 6:14:38 AM PST by JLGALT (Get ready - Lock and Load!)
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"The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact”

More often than what? More often than not, or more often than conservative arguments?

Moot point -- he's wrong either way.

10 posted on 01/31/2007 6:16:03 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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“But there are few examples in history in which the freedom men and women crave is delivered through outside intervention.”


I'm sure that Europe would have been happier and more free under the Nazis.


11 posted on 01/31/2007 6:16:31 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (“No, I have not supported that," Guiliani when asked about a ban on partial birth abortion)
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“The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact,”

Odd. I've found that the arguments of liberals are usually grounded in emotion with a lot of name calling and vulgar language.


12 posted on 01/31/2007 6:16:54 AM PST by uptoolate (If it sounds absurd, 51% chance it was sarcasm.)
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While their arguements" may be grounded in reason and fact, it's when those arguments are implimented that we see how stupid and foolish they actually are !!!


13 posted on 01/31/2007 6:18:22 AM PST by Obie Wan
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“But there are few examples in history in which the freedom men and women crave is delivered through outside intervention.”

How about Nazi extermination camps in Poland? How about the liberation of Paris in WWII? How about South Korea during Korean conflict? How about Panama? Granada? How about blacks in Mississippi in the 1960's? How about the CIVIL WAR?????


14 posted on 01/31/2007 6:20:34 AM PST by deathrace2000 (...time for you to leave, Grasshopper.)
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To: Teacher317
He is wrong on that statement. The USA might not exist had not the French intervened and provided their Navy to bottle up Cornwalis.
WWII was not a preemptive action by us, but it resulted in the freedom of millions.
Ronald Reagan's covert support of Solidarity and other Easter European dissidents, covert support of Afghan rebels against the Soviets; teaming with Northern Alliance to defeat the Taliban, and more. Had the US intervened with our allies in 1938, we may have spared Europe from the Holocaust and stopped Hitler earlier.
15 posted on 01/31/2007 6:21:59 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Paige
Obama is a socialist. Name a Democrat that is not. The only one that might not fit that bill would be former Governor Warner of Va.
He is a threat, but Hildebeast is ruthless and her Presidency is a frightening thought.
16 posted on 01/31/2007 6:23:53 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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Charlie Cook admitting the power of his DNC media friends.

Their campaign efforts for liberals, and against Republicans is real, and he admits that it is only PR and media impressions that are allowed, not actual records.

Which is why the MSM has refused to show military and gov daily pressers from Afghanistan and Iraq for the last 3 years, no facts or context can interfere with enemy bomb propaganda.
17 posted on 01/31/2007 6:25:06 AM PST by roses of sharon
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'The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact'



Now that's funny I don't care who you are.
18 posted on 01/31/2007 6:34:17 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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Dear Senator Obama: Hey sir, I was a liberal many moons ago. I became progressively (in the right sense) conservative over the decades because I found as a matter of fact that liberalism is grounded in unreality and outright lies. You have it exactly backwards senator.


19 posted on 01/31/2007 6:37:23 AM PST by driftless2
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The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact

Really? Tell me, Senator, which of these arguments of the left is grounded in reason and fact?...

Argument #1: "Big {Oil/Pharma/pick an industry} makes too much in profit."

Argument #2: "If George Bush is elected, more black churches will burn."

Argument #3: "If we would just engage in dialogue with {Syria/Iran/North Korea/pick an enemy} there would be no need for war."

Argument #4: "Humans are to blame for global warming; those who disagree with this view must be censored."

Argument #5: "If only the Jews weren't so evil there would be a peaceful, two-state solution in Israel."

Argument #6: "If only the government would fund embryonic stem cell research, Parkinson's patients would be cured."

20 posted on 01/31/2007 6:37:24 AM PST by opus86
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