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To: rogue yam
You do not have sufficient information to reasonably conclude that the force was excessive or that the citizen was innocent.

P.S. as the police are agents of the state, this man deserves the presumption of innocence and it is not your place to strip him of it.

85 posted on 01/30/2007 5:08:53 PM PST by papertyger
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Just because the state attorney and the Jacksonville's sheriff work together to incarcerate criminals doesn’t mean the two always see eye to eye.

Previously private disagreements between state attorney Harry Shorstein and Sheriff John Rutherford have become more public since recent shootings involving undercover narcotics detectives.

Shorstein is openly critical of Jacksonville Sheriff's Office's undercover drug operations such as the one that led to the fatal shooting of an 80-year-old man, who family members said thought he was confronting drug dealers who were actually officers, on Saturday.

exerpt from news4jax.com...it's the lead story


88 posted on 01/30/2007 5:26:07 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
P.S. as the police are agents of the state, this man deserves the presumption of innocence and it is not your place to strip him of it.

This comment is worthless garbage. You are trying to be reasonable but you are also being lazy and sloppy and just plain dumb. The deceased is not on trial, which is where the presumption of innocence comes into play. Your writing is poor, but you seem to be saying that the officers (who in fact are under investigation) are not entitled to the presumption of innocence because they are "agents of the state". This is retarded as a matter of law (of course they enjoy the same legal presumption as private citizens) but also is wildly impractical. Imagine trying to recruit officers while telling them that their every action would be reviewed under a presumption of guilt. Good luck filling those assignments!

99 posted on 01/31/2007 12:03:13 AM PST by rogue yam
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