Posted on 01/30/2007 11:48:24 AM PST by presidio9
Wrong tense....The media HAS BEEN STAGING a coup albeit a failed one for the last 6 years.
Every time he talked about the WOT or Iraq he has always stated this. Probably so much that many ignored it as a mere cliche when it wasn't meant as such.
"Haggard went Hollywood long ago. Sadly.
And he was never from Muskogee."
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Ah, but does he "take a lotta pride in who he is"?
Redding?
There, fixed it for you. These United States were not defending the borders of this nation in Korea or Vietnam. The same as Iraq. Spreading democracy is not nor was it ever intended to be the business of this nation.
Then where would we have fought the terrorist if we left in 03?
"This paragraph is very troubling coming from Ben Stein."
It's quickly becoming conventional wisdom.
We've been rolled
This is the typical liberal roll technique " I think we can all agree that..." Unfortunately, Ben has been rolled. When you agree with that opening premise you lost the debate before it began.
Merle's probably been smoking Willie's bus exhaust.
Or willie's little smokie.
a one party media lynch mob
I have to disagree with the premise (that Ben Stein is a reliable conservative)if not with your conclusion. He's always been wary of supply side "ideology" and I suspect much of that wariness boils down to Stein's zero-sum vision of the world, shared by the likes of James Webb and John Edwards, rather than his own considerable economic knowledge.
He's also very eloquent, and that along with the fact that he (Stein) is not a "reliable conservative" is why CBS features him as regular contributer alongside Nancy Giles on "Sunday Morning". One hundred and eighty degrees from solidly conservative, Stein is in fact a mushy moderate who (for example) sees the military primarily as an economically victimized special interest group rather than as heroes who have volunteered; conversely, he sees the rich in America, including himself, as parasites who "don't deserve" the Bush tax cuts. Ben Stein is a conservative on some issues (if a self-loathing one), no doubt--- far from a reliable one.
Ben Stein is saying the Iraq war is a "huge mistake" (and other "politically correct" nonsense) because he wants to continue receiving income from publishing his tripe. He's just another media prostitute. Freeing 25 million people in Iraq (plus another 25 million in Afghanistan) was not a "mistake". Going after the terrorists where they live was not a "mistake". Removing Saddam Hussein from his dictatorship and hanging him was not a "mistake". The current efforts of our troops, to defeat terrorism, is not a "mistake". If it were up to the media and Democrats, SH would still be in power commiting mass murder and torture, and providing training grounds and weapons for terrorists. If it were up to the media and the Democrats, the USSR and the Cold War (mutually assured nuclear destruction) would still exist. If it were up to the media and Democrats, the United States would lose the war on terrorism and wait for the next 9/11, or several of them. Just one more 9/11 would put the country in an economic recession from which it would not recover for years. Just one nuclear device or biological weapon in NYC might kill hundreds of thousands of Americans and contaminate our largest city, or cities. Writer-Prostitute Ben Stein, the media prostitutes in general, and the Democrat-Socialist Party are out of touch with reality.
You're entitled to your opinion. Sitting around doing nothing while the neighborhood deteriorates around you never was and never will be a smart strategy.
Good hyperbole. Has nothing to do with the argument but that's about all you have isn't it?
Today is FDR's 125th birthday. I doubt they are honoring his memory in Warsaw.
Why? For stating the obvious? I voted for Dubya 4 (count 'em, 4 times), and had I not already been retired would have given my right arm to be in one of those tanks roaring towards Baghdad.
But guess what?
We screwed it up. And now its too late to 'fix' it. Had we left Saddam in place, we could have gone lighter with bombing and special ops against al Quaeda elsewhere.
Now we've wound up destabilizing the entire area and strenthened Iran's hand - do you really think they are afraid that we'll start another war because of their nuke program? They sure don't act like it, do they? Because they know that America has run out of will during its segue into Iraq.
Now, are the Iraqis better off today? (Ask me if I care.) Economically, for sure. Do they feel safer? Who the hell knows? Would you feel safe with two dozen different sectarian militias running around killing people?
I will not eat HEAP crow by saying this:
"Sometimes those 'stability first and foremost', and screw what kind of regimes they have" crowd is NOT always wrong.
Put simply, if you're gonna invade barbarian nations, you better do it 'Roman style' and lay waste to everything. If you intend to play by modern 'enlightened western' rules, you'd better stay out.
I know one thing - whoever succeed's Dubya will have a lot LESS of a free hand to deal with our enemies abroad than had we left Iraq the hell alone, and continued our 'Afghan strategy' wherever needed.
Now you will excuse me. My mouth is so full of feathers I think I'll go throw up.
We sure have.
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