Posted on 01/30/2007 11:33:39 AM PST by RayStacy
My point exactly. The South became sovereign as it was perfectly legal to do.
We just got a cat and I think we are going to name him General Lee..
Then I get on line, come here and there it is. Confirmation for me.
His name is General Lee.
fyi, even N-S, the DAMNyankee Minister of Propaganda knows that, though he tries to pretend otherwise.
free dixie,sw
Thanks for playing, next contestant, please.
And what of the Thousands of Southern women and children who suffered and died because Sherman burned their homes and crops. How many women and children were murdered and raped by Blue Belly scum on direct orders of that monster.
Yeah.
Nor was there an official surrender of the CSA. Nor was there a trial for treason by CSA leaders.
The confederacy began with a bang and ended with a whimper. The fact that there was never an official surrender isn't surprising, the confederacy never issued an official declaration of war before it attacked Sumter, either. And the lack of treason trials was due to amnesty declarations and the ratification of the 14th Amendment.
Ummm...N-S has labeled this claim of your to be complete and utter nonsense every time you've made it. All of it, start to finish, bears no more resemblence to fact than any of your other posts. From your fabrications about 'officer property records' to your lunatic claims about Grant being a overseer and 'a good hand with a whip', it is a total lie.
But not without leaving behind evidence. And there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that your claims are true. The Dent family slaves were, in fact, freed early in 1863 and none were seen with either Grant or his wife after that time.
None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch. If you have any evidence that any women and/or children were murdered and/or raped on the direct orders of General Sherman then by all means produce it.
What I know is that the southern acts of unilateral secession were illegal, that their actions were, in fact, a rebellion, and that they got their ass kicked as a result. This message is presented just so nobody is under any misconception that you know what your talking about.
The reality is what Sherman said. "War is all hell."
And if you are trying to say the CSA never raped or pillaged, you are naive.
I suggest a book, America's Victories by Larry Schweikart for an insight to how and the way America fights, even on our own soil.
Amen. We in Texas have another view of Sherman. He was the one who finally broke the Comanche hold on the Panhandle and west Texas. And he was no arm chair general. He took part in a face-off with two chiefs who had escaped from the reservation. In was a trap in which Sherman was the bait. His original name was Tecumseh, and he and that notable had much the same spirit.
In all fairness thousands of Southern POWs died at Elmira and Camp Douglas and Point Lookout. Treatment of POWs is not a matter of pride for either side. Both could have cared for their prisoners better but didn't. Both could have provided adequate food and sanitary conditions but didn't. Both could have provided decent shelter but didn't. All those prisoners died due to the neglect of the respective government holding them.
However, let me also point out that Sherman was correct when he said, "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out."
"...scenes transpiring yesterday in the execution of your order...The colored people became suspicious of the presence of the companies of soldiers detailed for the service, who were marching through the islands during the night...They were taken from the fields without being allowed to go to their houses even to get a jacket..."In another case, a Northern reporter from the St. Louis Republican witnessed the Union assault on Alexandria was so moved by this wanton, barbaric act that he wrote an account of the burning. He stated,"There was sadness in all. As those on this plantation were called in from the fields, the soldiers, under orders, and while on the steps of my headquarters, loaded their guns, so that the Negroes might see what would take place in case they attempted to get away..."
"On some plantations the wailing and screaming were loud and the women threw themselves in despair on the ground. On some plantations the people took to the woods and were hunted up by the soldiers...I doubt if the recruiting service in this country has ever been attended with such scenes before."
"Women gathering their helpless babes in their arms, rushing frantically through the streets with screams and cries that would have melted the hardest hearts to tears; little boys and girls, running hither and thither crying for their mothers and fathers; old men leaning on a staff for support to their trembling limbs, hurrying away from the suffocating heat of their burning dwellings and homes."
I believe the claim was that women and children were raped and murdered on the direct orders of Sherman. I'm afraid I don't see anything in your post that supports that claim.
Yes Northern prisoners died in those camps. Just like Southern prisoners were starved and killed in places with names like Camp Douglas, Elmira prison camp and Fort Jefferson.
Confederate soldiers did loot rape and murder. But it was never the official policy of their commanders.
But the abduction of free blacks from Pennsylvania and Maryland and their return to the South was official policy and done with the knowledge and approval of commanders of the Army of Northern Virginia. And was, theoretically, illegal since the confederate constitution allowed only for imports of slaves from the slave holding states of the U.S. Pennsylvania was not one of them.
I saw an interesting episode of the history channel last night. Have you ever heard of the USS Constellation? She and about six other ships were assigned the mission in the 1850's to capture slave ships from Africa. They weren't very successful because there were so few of them and there were so many slave ships.
I saw that on the guide. Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch it so I recorded it and plan on watching it during the course of the week. Sounds very interesting.
If memory serves the Constellation mentioned in the program is the one currently restored in Baltimore, but is not the original frigate USS Constellation. That ship was broken up about the time the second Constellation was being built.
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