That's clear.
've been involved in politics for many moons now
Everybody's "involved in politics." As Trotsky said of the revolution, even if you're not interested in it, it remains interested on you. Good for you for getting involved, but make sure you're informed before you take action. I posted enough factual material... if you followed my numbered links and read that material, you will know more about TWA800 than 99% of the people commenting on this.
As for your stand against anyone who goes after such twits as Sandy "Paper cut" Burglar, you give yourself away.
I don't stand "against anyone who goes after such twits as Sandy "Paper cut" Burglar" -- I think he should be in Federal Prison, and should never get his security clearances back. Which is what happened to many people I knew over the years who mishandled classified materials much less deliberately and maliciously than that jitbag. But let's hang him for the crime he did commit, not a crime that didn't happen.
As for the Navy shooting down TW800, BULL!!!
I AGREE. But I never said they did. Some of the conspiracy dweebs think they did. Indeed, that was Jack Cashill's original position. It was only after 9/11, five years and some after the TWA800 tragedy, that he set on Islamist terrorists as the fall guys. And then imagined that the Clinton admin was in league with the terrorists. Look, Clinton, Berger, Reno, et al, were a disaster for America, no question. But they didn't knock this plane down and they didn't keep us from finding out who did. The Clinton administration took more high-level action in the JFK Jr. accident than they did in TWA800 -- no kidding.
What is sad but rather humorous about your post, you claim to be a Vet which would lead one to think that would come with maturity but the maturity and articulation is not coming across.
I think every sentence I posted was more grammatical than that last. And I made my post in the middle of the night -- like most conservatives, I work for a living most of the day. I take it you think I am not a vet? The VA would care to disagree. Airborne, Ranger, SF. Combat Infantry Badge. No big medals or anything, but I can feel satisfied with what I did and what I am. Like the old sixties country song says, "I've been everywhere, man." The FReepers who did similar stuff know how to check out a guy, and they're not calling BS on me.
I went through SOT right after it had been Blue Light, so I was on to terrorism before terrorism was cool. I went to SF school while Mike Yon was on admin hold there (read his book to see why he was on hold at Bragg). A novelist used me as a tech advisor in developing an SF character in one of his books -- after going to the local SF association chapter for a recommendation. My real name's in the credits of his book (along with several other SF vets who helped him all of whom I know face to face). Oh, I'm real alright. Sorry you don't think so.
Some of the vets stepping forward and taking the side of the very party (Democrats) that would only spit on the vets, if the spit served their purpose, is suspect at best.
Not very grammatical, again, but I actually agree with you and I have taken great pride in participating in the "outing" of several phonies among the VVAQ/VVAI "veterans." (My copy of Stolen Valor is autographed). I also was one of the WaPo's sources for their story busting Micah Wright, the only time in my life I've dealt with that paper. There are some vets who turn on our own, but most of the ones raving about atrocities in the papers turn out to be fakes. Notice I am not raving about atrocities -- only ones I ever saw were done by the Taliban. Read the military threads, and I'm consistently calling BS when there's BS. (Which is the principle which had me comment when OESY flagged me to this thread).
Please give us all a break and toot your little whistle somewhere else....say perhaps the Left wing boards and blogs?
Not gonna happen. What's a real vet going to do at DailyKOS or HuffPo? (Although, Markos Moulitsas is a peacetime vet -- he's a jerk, but he's a real vet, and I believe in giving credit where it's due, even to my opponents). I'd stick out like a sore thumb. (Not to mention, I've voted for Republicans since Gerry Ford, and the most conservative ones, in the primaries. John Kerry is my Senator but not because I've ever voted for the Lurch-lookin' lefty).
Look, if you want all-conspiracies-all-the-time, go to Mike Rivero's whatreallyhappened.com, where you'll be entertained endlessly. He was banned from FR for saying that Jews and the USG, excuse me, ZOG, committed 911, and -- no surprise -- his site's a congenial home for TWA 800 hotheads. As far as I know, he hasn't hung that one on the Chosen People yet, but I don't hang out there -- maybe he has by now.
Again, whether Sandy is a slimebag -- he is, and on that, you, me and Jack Cashill can all agree for once -- that has nothing to do with whether TWA800 was the victim of any kind of attack -- it wasn't. Missiles leave physical evidence. Bombs leave physical evidence. (Get a Pacer account -- it's free -- and read the Pan Am 103 trial documents to see some descriptions of the physical evidence left by a bomb. Or, if you like, I could aim you to some books on accident investigation, but they're expensive and assume an engineering and aviation background). The absence of physical evidence has led Cashill et al to change their story for the forty-eleventh time and say that the FBI destroyed all the physical evidence. Uh-huh... except there's still thirty tons of airplane in Virginia. Including all the parts where the breakup sequence started. None of which contains the distinctive signatures of high explosives, which deform metals in completely different ways from a low-velocity fuel-air explosion. (What's "high" about high explosives is the velocity of the explosion. It pits metal and makes it flow in highly distinctive ways).
By about day five of the investigation, the NTSB experts had seen enough wreckage to know it was a fuel-air explosion, not HE. (For instance, you can tell what temperature a fire got to by the discoloration of metals). Everything else from that point on was trying to convince the FBI guys, who just couldn't believe a plane can "just blow up." (Same problem they've had with the general public). The extensive investigation continued to determine what the ignition source might have been (they have several possibilities, but never pinned it down 100% -- it could have been any of 'em) and confirm various hypotheses and rule out others.
There is enough documentation in that docket for anyone of scientific mind to understand what happened and understand completely that a bomb or missile could not have happened. Which means that the attack believers are: those who will not read or can not understand the material (I assume you are a "will not read"); those who don't understand cause and effect, believing like Homer Simpson that "life is a whole bunch of events that just happen," who are therefore primed to believe in shady conspiracies controlling everything; those who watch too much TV; and a handful of charlatans who make a living off the others.
Basically, the difference between my position and yours is that I read the evidence and reached a conclusion. You appear to have reached a conclusion and will not read the evidence.
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