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Hubble’s best camera suffers fresh trouble
MSNBC ^ | 01/29/2007 | Tariq Malik

Posted on 01/29/2007 1:10:46 PM PST by Sleeping Freeper

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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; finnman69; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; CholeraJoe; sionnsar; patton; ...

I wonder how much it would cost to put up a Keck style telescope, (other than an astronomical amount, I mean.)

And I wonder just how far they can stretch the synthetic aperture of it.

Assuming you didn't have to service it every few years, where would you put your telescope?


21 posted on 01/29/2007 3:01:25 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Sign says, "No dogs allowed -- except seeing-eye dogs" Why don't they put that sign down lower?)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

It's time we let Hubble die and focus on the next generation observatories.


22 posted on 01/29/2007 3:06:17 PM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite

What next gen?


23 posted on 01/29/2007 3:07:32 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: NicknamedBob

Optical? I would either use L5 or the lunar surface.


24 posted on 01/29/2007 3:08:14 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: NicknamedBob

To the moon, Alice...


25 posted on 01/29/2007 3:19:02 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Yep.


26 posted on 01/29/2007 3:19:25 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

If I'm not mistaken this project (below) has already been delayed. You're in a much better position than I am to say so correct me if I'm wrong. There are other observatories on the back burner because NASA is underfunded for the President's mandate for the Moon/Mars missions we both know won't happen. You also know how I feel about the waste of money on manned spaceflight as opposed to robotic missions. Wasting more money keeping Hubble limping along isn't the answer.



The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) is a large, infrared-optimized space telescope, scheduled for launch in 2013. JWST will find the first galaxies that formed in the early Universe, connecting the Big Bang to our own Milky Way Galaxy. JWST will peer through dusty clouds to see stars forming planetary systems, connecting the Milky Way to our own Solar System. JWST's instruments will be designed to work primarily in the infrared range of the electromagnetic spectrum, with some capability in the visible range.

JWST will have a large mirror, 6.5 meters (21.3 feet) in diameter and a sunshield the size of a tennis court. Both the mirror and sunshade won't fit onto the rocket fully open, so both will fold up and open only once JWST is in outer space. JWST will reside in an orbit about 1.5 million km (1 million miles) from the Earth.

The James Webb Space Telescope was named after a former NASA Administrator


27 posted on 01/29/2007 3:27:44 PM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

If they can keep it warm until next year, Hubble will be fine for a while. That repair mission is going to be widely watched around the world...


28 posted on 01/29/2007 3:51:52 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: saganite

Depending on how the election in 08 goes, it may all die and no next generation.


29 posted on 01/29/2007 3:53:14 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: saganite

As I understand it, the servicing mission was planned some time ago, and was only put in question do to the shuttle observing new safety precautions. So I do not view a final servicing mission as going above and beyond trying to save a dated asset. Rather as a final extension of a unique asset that has no replacemnt on orbit now or in the near future. I am no Hubble hugger. But if we have the tools and the will, I believe the replacement hardware stand ready and safety issues covered, I see this as all together appropriate to do. Certainly the astronauts strongly wish to do this mission.


30 posted on 01/29/2007 3:54:57 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Sleeping Freeper
"...has been billed by NASA and scientists alike as..."

Those aren't exactly mutually exclusive groups.
31 posted on 01/29/2007 4:01:17 PM PST by Flightdeck
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To: Yo-Yo
You're close. My guess is they ground Hubble's mirror to the same specifications as they did for all Keyhole mirrors. Only problem is, Keyhole mirrors are ground to focus on the Earth about 250 miles away, while Hubble was supposed to focus at infinity.

I'm pretty sure that kind of error wouldn't squeak past even government workers.
32 posted on 01/29/2007 4:03:22 PM PST by Flightdeck
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To: patton; Robert A. Cook, PE; finnman69; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; CholeraJoe; sionnsar
"To the moon, Alice..."

There are advantages to being in space somewhere as well. Among other things, one can point in almost any direction when one wants to.

That can be useful for catching such things as someone dropping a string of pearls.

I like the moon location too. I see an advantage there, too. If it were possible to manufacture the primary mirror there, then it wouldn't have to be transported. It would be a challenge, of course, but it could be made very, very, large.

33 posted on 01/29/2007 5:08:31 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Sign says, "No dogs allowed -- except seeing-eye dogs" Why don't they put that sign down lower?)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Certainly the astronauts strongly wish to do this mission.


Astronauts strongly wish to do any mission that might further the notion they serve a useful purpose.


34 posted on 01/29/2007 6:06:58 PM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Flightdeck
Government workers didn't build the Hubble. The company Perkin-Elmer did.
35 posted on 01/29/2007 6:25:38 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: saganite; Names Ash Housewares
"Astronauts strongly wish to do any mission that might further the notion they serve a useful purpose."

Don't we all?

36 posted on 01/29/2007 7:02:17 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Sign says, "No dogs allowed -- except seeing-eye dogs" Why don't they put that sign down lower?)
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To: saganite
I've seen many dozens of known, and probably hundreds of unknown, missions that have been SAVED by astronauts being able to respond to accidents or emergencies or failures that are catastrophic for mere robots.

For one, Apollo 11 almost landed (by autopilot) in a rubble field that would have tripped it over. Armstrong simply saw it, overrode the program, and flew over the boulders. A few weeks ago, they fixed the Shuttle.

Most Mariner missions, most Venus missions, many long space missions have been short-termed or lost capabilities or have failed when simple problems couldn't be fixed.
37 posted on 01/29/2007 7:43:14 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Smogger

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38 posted on 01/29/2007 7:45:48 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: saganite

I am eagerly anticipating the Webb. However, the Webb is an IR scope whereas the Hubble is visible and UV. They are complimentary as apposed to being redundant.

Hubble is important and is not being replaced.


39 posted on 01/30/2007 12:22:45 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer

Hubble has new trouble as I'm sure you're aware and NASA has said there will be no attempt to fix the main camera which went into safe mode Saturday. Meanwhile, this will mark the 5th Orbiter mission dedicated to Hubble repair. At more than a billion a pop it seems to me the Hubble could have been replaced with newer and better observatories for the cost of keeping it alive, especially when you consider that the Hubble's original design parameters were dictated by NASA's desire to launch it from the Shuttle.

Every article I read about the Webb observatory calls it the successor to Hubble including NASA press releases. I guess they think more knowledge can be gained from concentrating our search in the infra red than launching another "Hubble" scope.

In any case, there are several smaller projects with costs in the 300 to 500 million range languishing at NASA due to the costs associated with the Shuttle, the ISS and the president's moon/mars program. I think we would both agree the better science would come from those programs as opposed to continual funding of those 2 white elephants, the Shuttle and the ISS.


40 posted on 01/30/2007 4:12:19 AM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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