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Attorney: Accused Marine lieutenant is really a 'hero' [Conclusion of Lt Phan hearing]
The North County Times ^ | January 28, 2007 | Mark Walker

Posted on 01/28/2007 4:04:33 PM PST by RedRover

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Related thread from yesterday (and still going strong): Witness for Marine lieutenant threatened with criminal charges
1 posted on 01/28/2007 4:04:35 PM PST by RedRover
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PING!

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2 posted on 01/28/2007 4:11:24 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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3 posted on 01/28/2007 4:25:06 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: RedRover

Defense counsel defends client.


4 posted on 01/28/2007 4:28:33 PM PST by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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It looks like JAG office really wants to nail Phan. What's UP?

An investigative officer commenting on the credibility of witness statements, witnesses unavailable for cross examination, without the usual sound recordings of witness statements are irregular. There is no safe guard to ensure that the witness statements have not been tampered with,fabricated or falsified.

Because of these irregularities, if the written witness statements are all that exist, with others making statements after cutting deals with the prosecuting officers, and another a convicted murderer, it would seem that Phan is not going to be getting the due process usually afforded in military tribunals such as a Court Martial.

If a witness for Phan was threatened with criminal charges ( referenced thread), it would seem there is some form of administrative animus against Phan. This is unusual. Why would there be such a desire to "get" Phan. Obviously some one in the chain of command may have a serious desire to make sure he is behind bars, and that classified information aluded to by Sheldon not be part of the record. As a matter of fact it looks as if Piggit terminated the hearing prematurely so that there would be no reference to classified material on the record. Something has happened that the JAG office does not want anyone to know, not even the Courts Martial, which normally can review classified information. Highly unusual.

Phan is thrown upon the necessity to find his own exculpatory evidence and witness statements, and needs to be afforded the opportunity and resources to do so, if he stands trial.

5 posted on 01/28/2007 4:28:36 PM PST by Candor7
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To: RedRover

Thank you for this update. AND all the pings, they are appreciated!! How ever would I be able to keep up with this situation without your help!!!!? :)

Thanks!


6 posted on 01/28/2007 4:29:30 PM PST by the mo (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!!!!!)
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To: verity
Defense counsel defends client.

Yes, it's especially useful when investigators have fabricated evidence.

7 posted on 01/28/2007 4:39:40 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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To: the mo

NCIS and JAG, real Warfighters. Duh!!


8 posted on 01/28/2007 4:40:55 PM PST by mortal19440
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Dog bites man is not worth a headline; however, man bites dog.......
9 posted on 01/28/2007 4:49:53 PM PST by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: Candor7

"Phan is thrown upon the necessity to find his own exculpatory evidence and witness statements, and needs to be afforded the opportunity and resources to do so, if he stands trial."

In other words he is guilty until he can prove himself innocent.


10 posted on 01/28/2007 4:52:14 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: RedRover; Candor7; JohnHuang2; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Iris7; MindBender26; ...

These prosecutors are engaged in a deliberate attempt to undermine our all volunteer forces. They are deliberately creating a chilling effect, that can only result in a dismal failure to meet recruitment goals.


11 posted on 01/28/2007 4:52:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: RedRover

Bag of microwave popcorn...a buck.
Being in a court room and saying "Bullsh*t" to Pigott...PRICELESS.


12 posted on 01/28/2007 4:53:12 PM PST by lilycicero (I wish I would have been there.)
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Next time, we HAVE to get someone from our side to give us first-hand reports.

Pendleton built a million dollar facility so people could watch the proceedings on closed circuit TV. Maybe you ought to go out there, lily. Beats JACKASS 2 for entertainment value!

13 posted on 01/28/2007 5:05:03 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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In other words he is guilty until he can prove himself innocent.

Well lets say this: He won't be able to use anything the prosecution has to defend himself.

So if you were attacked and some one emptied a barrel of gun parts in front of you and said , "there you go," you would probably say " better than nothin"

LOL

But it will take a lot of money he probably doesn't have, which is a damn shame.

14 posted on 01/28/2007 5:05:14 PM PST by Candor7
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To: mortal19440

Military lawyer/prosecuters make their "bones" by sending soldiers to jail. Which is better for them? Not to try cases with flimsy evidence, or rig such cases and win 'em.

Most (not all) ambitious lawyers will do anything to win and advance their careers.

And BTW, they sleep just fine at night when they've sent good men up the river. Why? The male animal is not really troubled by conscience. Other things are more important to him generally these days.


15 posted on 01/28/2007 5:05:57 PM PST by johnmark7
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Yes, it's especially useful when investigators have fabricated evidence.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You don't suppose any of these prostitutors are related to Dan Rather , do you?

16 posted on 01/28/2007 5:07:01 PM PST by Candor7
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Agree, I don't have time for either of them and I didn't care for them in my 26 years in the Navy.


17 posted on 01/28/2007 5:08:52 PM PST by mortal19440
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"So if you were attacked and some one emptied a barrel of gun parts in front of you and said , "there you go," you would probably say " better than nothin""

True, but thats not how our system works.


18 posted on 01/28/2007 5:12:22 PM PST by driftdiver
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You don't suppose any of these prostitutors are related to Dan Rather, do you?

"Prostitutors", I love it! And, yes, I think they're all cut from the cloth.

First, invent a story. Then, find facts to support your creation. If no facts are available, get someone to make 'em up. "Fake but accurate".

All eyes will now be on General Mattis. Wonder what he's going to do?

19 posted on 01/28/2007 5:16:36 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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Send out a message to solicit CA Freeper peepers to the next proceeding. I didn't know they had front seats to the show for the non-media.


20 posted on 01/28/2007 5:19:42 PM PST by lilycicero (I believe SSGT Frank Wuterich did his job very well.)
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