Giuliani touts experience, but personal life may be an issue

Newsday ^ | 28 January 2008 | Craig Gordon

[Spiff]

Giuliani touts experience, but personal life may be an issue

BY CRAIG GORDON
Newsday Washington Bureau

January 28, 2007

MANCHESTER, N.H. - Rudolph Giuliani argued yesterday that his record of cutting taxes, improving security and guiding New York through 9/11 are proof that he could do the same as president - offering his strongest signal yet that he's serious about a White House bid.

[...snip]

Giuliani is trying to bat down questions from top Republicans about whether his White House ambitions are a popularity-fueled dalliance or something more serious. His speech laid out a point-by-point rationale for his possible candidacy, seeking to portray himself as a tested leader for dangerous times in the mold of Ronald Reagan.

[...snip]

He also appeared intent on quieting questions about his marital history by giving wife Judith Nathan an unusually high-profile role here. She barely left his side in public, and he called her a "partner" whom he leaned on for everything from getting through 9/11 and prostate cancer to understanding the science behind possible anthrax attacks.

Giuliani didn't mention that when Nathan helped him after his cancer diagnosis in spring 2000, he was, in fact, still married to Donna Hanover, and that the revelation of his illness came amid the messy public breakup of his second marriage.

In the end, Giuliani's two-day visit here encapsulated the promise and challenge of his possible candidacy.

On one hand, his name recognition and tough-guy image in New York, before and after 9/11, helped him draw large and enthusiastic crowds on this visit. But even some who were eager to see him were blunt in saying his personal history and liberal social stances could prove a serious, perhaps insurmountable obstacle to winning their votes.

[Jim W N]

They (the Democrats) MUST NOT be permitted to win in 2008. The free world depends on that.

Remember the surge of reactionary militia groups forming around the country during the Clinton years? They were so pissed off at the liberals in power, tearing down America's culture and freedoms. I think there's a good chance of if not all-out civil war, at least some nasty, bloody confrontations in America if the DEMOniC-RAT's win. If they win, either many will take up the cuture-war fight with guns or the terrorist enemy will begin to overwhelm us...or both...

[JimFreedom]

Trust me, they belong in the childrens section, SPIFF and gang that is.

[Peach]

That's the truth. Clearly they don't read the adult section of books.

[dirtboy]

Oh right. I called the Medal the wrong thing because that's what a newspaper called it. Oh, and I said something about the books that, if one looked at the CHILDREN'S section, wasn't quite accurate. Gotcha. Liar.

My gawd.

Poster after poster has tried to correct your claims.

And for that, we are liars.

[dirtboy]

However, I have NEVER said that Reagan Freedom Medal is the same as the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

You refused to even look at your own damn posts that did just that. Your posting history is right on this thread.

[Peach]

Prove it liar. Link it or forever be deemed a liar.

I have NEVER said that Reagan Freedom Medal is the same as the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[dirtboy]

Your post #73:

Giuliani received the Medal of Freedom from Ronald Reagan.

Spiff in post #113 challenged that claim. So you said this:

I hate to burst your little lie. But Rudy did most certainly receive the Reagan Medal of Freedom.

[Dog Gone]

I hope all threads about potential candidates between now and the convention aren't as wacky as this one.

I don't think it bodes well. We're going to bloody ourselves up so much that most of us will stay home and let the Rats win the Presidency.

And then we'll see Stevens and Ginsburg retire, and say to ourselves, "What the hell were we thinking?".

WHO FRICKIN' CARES WHICH WEBSITE SELLS SOMEONE'S BOOK??

According to the thread title, this discussion should probably be largely whether Giuliani's personal life could be a problem for him in securing the nomination or winning the general election.

But no, it's about children's books for sale at the Reagan Library.

I'm not trying to salvage this thread. It's beyond hope.

Maybe we'll do better next time.

[miss marmelstein]

I can assure you that Guiliani's "press aide" (Christine Latagano) was FAR from attractive. That was one affair I couldn't understand.

[Jim W N]

What they are likely to do is stay home on election day because they have no real choice if the choice is between two radical social liberals.

What good would that do? Guiliani may be bad but I don't think he hates America and what it has always stood for the way Hillary (or most Liberal-Socialist DEMOniC-RATs) does.

[dirtboy]

I'm not trying to salvage this thread. It's beyond hope.

No kidding.

[narses]

You claimed he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom! Now your story shifts. How liberal of you.

[narses]

Still having trouble with reading comprehension I see. Sad. Public school, wight?

[Peach]

Not to burst your little bubble of lies, but the newspaper article I linked called it the Reagan Medal of Freedom.

When a poster actually gave a link showing it was called the Ronald Reagan Freedom Award, I accepted that.

For the 4th time, I'll link the newspaper article from which I was quoting:

When former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani receives the Reagan Medal of Freedom tonight in Los Angeles for his heroic actions after the Sept. 11 attacks, he'll be introduced by an old friend -- GOP nominee for governor Bill Simon Jr.
http://www.tjwalker.com/sfchroniclemarch02.htm

And narses, link up where I ever called it the Presidential Medal of Freedom. You're a liar.

[narses]

Yawn.

[Jim W N]

The only problem would be if conservatives did something stupid like not vote at all.

Which could happen if the GOP nominates Rudy or McVain.

Let's hope not because if that's the case, since the conservatives are the only ones standing between our beloved country and socialist defeat/desolation, we might as well sing along with Robert Shaw (standing there looking at Richard Dreyfuss in "Jaws"), "Farewell and adieu to you, Spanish Ladies, Farewell and adieu to you, ladies of Spain..."

[onyx]

Huge bump.

You'd never know by the majority of threads, that the democrats are the enemy.

[Peach]

You really do have a reading comprehension problem. You claimed I said that Rudy received the Presidential Medal of Freedom. You're a liar.

I quoted a newspaper (complete with link) which got the name wrong, but neither the newspaper nor I ever said that Rudy got the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

You're pathetic. And I'm smiling knowing just how much it bothers you that Rudy got any award with Reagan's name in it :-)

[dirtboy]

When a poster actually gave a link showing it was called the Ronald Reagan Freedom Award, I accepted that.

After making post after post calling Spiff "spiff boy" for pointing out your error.

And calling me a liar for pointing out your error as well.

Those who make mistakes on FR are supposed to put forth a mea culpa.

Not pull a Mary Mapes and yell at those who know the facts.

And it's not like this is an isolated incident lately.

You accused Reagan of signing TWO abortion bills as governor of California because you didn't follow up on verifying a Wikipedia post.

And you trashed Reagan for not asking for a partial-birth abortion ban when that wasn't even an issue until 1992.

So it's not like your inaccuracy on this thread is an isolated incident.

But, then again, when you are out to promote someone like Rudy while trashing a conservative icon like Reagan, fact-checking is a secondary consideration.

[Peach]

You yawn when you get caught lying? How Hillary-like of you.