Posted on 01/27/2007 2:36:36 PM PST by RedRover
Red's got a pretty darn good idea about the true meaning behind Semper Fi.
In fact, he's one of THE few, the proud, the most faithful FReepers to these Marines.
He wasn't questioning quite what you thought. : )
Re: If you don't know the true meaning behind "Semper Fi" you will not understand what has transpired between this Officer and his Marines.
Okay, I've got a lot to learn, wouldn't mind a lesson.
Re:What I don't understand is what's transpiring between Lance Cpl. Andrew Kraus and Major Donald Plowman.
Okay, I've got a friggin headache trying to keep up with all of this. My take is that the civilian defense attorney, Sheldon, is playing a very smart game of cornering the NCIS. NCIS is countering with intimidation. Lance Cpl. Kraus is saying (paraphrased), "I never said that about Phan", knowing he can be charged with "perjury" since he previously signed a statement in which NCIS said he did. Defense attorney Sheldon is basically saying, with the help of Kraus, prove Kraus said it. It's a classic case of he said/he said without video/audiotapes. If Plowman (prosecutor) wants to prove NCIS's side, make him produce tapes. Wonder if they exist? At this point, NCIS may lose credibility for future case as well as with the Phan case; Marine Kraus is risking a lot more personally.
Is my take clear as mud? Did I mention I have a friggin headache thinking about all of this?
You know what?
What, ma?
I'll add a few stones to your mud and make it clear as concrete.
You've got it, except that these three that are, in essence, calling the NCIS liars, signed the statements attributed to them- statements typed up by NCIS. Their signatures would make this a sworn statement, entered into evidence. To backtrack on what they've sworn was the truth is where the double jeopardy of perjury comes in.
The question is, were they even allowed to read the statement before being made to sign it. Were they even told what it was? When you're told to do something in the Corps, you just f'in do it. You don't ask f'in questions.
DumbellGarbo (Who I'll call Gumby) and that hunka hunka burnin' love Bode (gag me) are not the only ones missing.
anybody remember the USS Iowa turret disaster?
Damn straight.
Well said
There is only one reason for a LE agency to refrain from recording statements. They is because they do not want a verbatim record of what was said.
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
See Post #41........ and perhaps give Girlene a hand for working so hard to help these Marines.
Come on, Red! I've been sitting here patiently, waiting for you to ask me who else is missing!!!
That's exactly what stinks so badly about all this. There's nothing to prevent a powerful politican who controls appropriations (oh, say, someone like John Murtha) from essentially giving a scenario to a civilian federal agency like the NCIS who can then over their piles of crap evidence to the JAGs. There is no oversight, no accountability, no review. Unbelievable.
Yes. The USS Iowa case was a disaster for the NIS (now known as NCIS). From what I remember, the NIS tried to blame a turret explosion on the ship on a sailor who also died in the incident. Their take was that he was gay, despondent and committed suicide, taking 45 others with him. His sister/family fought for a long time until his name was cleared. It was determined to be purely an accident. At least that's what I remember.
Nothing has changed since the USS IOWA travesty except the name change. There is no oversight of the NCIS. They're as corrupt and abusive as they want to be.
The Man with the Golden Gun in his mouth.
Is he dead, alive, in a posh hotel outside Pendleton?
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. They have had the most information on these cases. (well except for NEWSMAX)
It's about time you clocked in.
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