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To: jcb1379

Actually, the Constitution states we are a nation under God.

And since you have no idea what a Christian is, don't bother trying to guess.
Christianity is completely compatable with secular government. In fact it would fail without it as would this secular government fail without Christianity (which it is)


40 posted on 01/26/2007 9:59:04 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Um, I'm pretty familiar with the Constitution, and it doesn't say we are a nation under God anywhere. Only mention of the Creator is "in the year of our Lord." You must not have any idea about the Constitution.

As far as knowing about Christiantiy, I do, thanks (must be nice to make such a pointed preliminary judgment based on ONE POST on a message board--I wish I were so presumptuous). Jesus said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. Obvious compatibility. Christians must live in the world, not of it. Your personal religious choice doesn't affect what citizenship you can claim. Perhaps might make you a moral hypocrite, but doesn't preclude you from citizenship.

Personally, I don't WANT government to have anything to do with religion--the gov't regulates enough without getting into our personal religious practices.


43 posted on 01/26/2007 10:10:26 AM PST by jcb1379
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To: Nathan Zachary; All

I think it boils down to a key question, as I see it. (Please try to resist flaming me for this, since I DO believe it is entirely appropriate to consider)

The key question is: Can a Muslim be secular and still be considered a muslim?

From what I can tell, to the islamofacists, the answer to that is no...and if the answer is no, your fate is WORSE than being a Christian or a Jew. According to Bernard Lewis, who is a foremost Western authority on Islam, there are a few reasons for Jihad, and he lists them in order of ferocity or degree of prosecution. At the top of the list is...Apostasy. That means it is much worse to be a muslim and either not live by the principles of the prophet or to repudiate them, than it is to be a Christian or Jew. If you are an apostate, there is a special circle of hell reserved for you.

If we can agree there are secular muslims, then this divides the muslim population, and people like edcoil and Brigette Gabriel are unfairly generalizing and grouping the good with the bad. If muslims cannot be secular, then...edcoil and Ms. Gabriel are correct, and we should be looking to our defenses.


47 posted on 01/26/2007 10:16:09 AM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Actually, the Constitution states we are a nation under God.

I think you're confusing the Pledge of Allegiance with the Constitution.

73 posted on 01/26/2007 10:34:55 AM PST by Dog Gone
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