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To: rlmorel
We wouldn't be Americans, there wouldn't have BEEN an America...and we might very well be speaking German or Russian and all be living in a Nazi or Communist empire.

Pure conjecture. There would have still been a continent here, it would have still been settled just as Canada and Australia were and if it had been part of the British Commonwealth as they were, and with British power far more than what they actually possessed, perhaps those World Wars would have never happened. If that's the case, the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia or rise of the Nazis in post-war Germany never happen either.

That is also pure conjecture of course, but what is not conjecture is that living under King George, the British Parliament, and British Common Law was infinitely preferable to living under some mad Mullah and 7th Century Islamic law.

308 posted on 01/29/2007 1:24:12 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

You can go off in the weeds on this if you want. I am not interested, because I do not think it addresses the heart of the matter.

You and I disagree on a basic point, which has nothing to do, or very little with the discussion at hand.

You excuse or explain the inaction and silence of moderate muslims both in this country and around the world by stating their personal safety and that of their families is at risk.

I discount that rationale. They must either disown the radical factions, or they must disown the religion.

If the 1.5 Billion muslims around the world cannot disown the radical Islamists who make up some percentage of their population, then they need to either splinter off to their own faction or disown the religion itself.

They key point is that if it is true that there are moderate muslims (and there are some who think that cannot be the case) and their tongues are being held hostage against their will due to coercive threats against their lives, then we will have no choice but to eventually lump them in together with the radical Islamists. It is already happening. They DO have a stake in it, and they aren't going to be able to protect themselves by closing their eyes, sticking their heads in the sand and saying they were forced to remain silent.

Especially not in THIS country.

When we in this country suffer a hundred thousand or 5 million dead Americans in one day, the moderate muslims out there who know (and had known) who the perpetrators are and where they live, will not have the luxury of being able to say "It wasn't me! It wasn't MY religion!" They are going to suffer along with the radicals.

Nobody is going to give a damn about what they thought leading up to the event. Germans could have done something about Hitler and his thugs leading up to World War II. Instead, they handed power to Hitler on a platter and gave him carte blanche to do as he wished. After Germany was destroyed and the German people were painted with a stain that will last as long as people remember the barbarity of the holocaust, it makes no difference if Germans who lived in those times say "I did not support Hitler and what he did." The fact that they did NOTHING paints them with the same brush as the Nazis.

There may come a time in the future where you will not be able to find a single Muslim who will say "I supported the radical Islamofacists who planted the bomb that killed millions of people".

But, in the future, it is entirely possible you will for damned sure hear people disowning the radical islamists saying they never agreed with them. "It wasn't me...I was not one of them."

But their silence will damn them all the same. Action when it counts is their only hope.


309 posted on 01/29/2007 4:28:18 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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