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To: pollyannaish
"Our only chance of winning this thing is to understand the culture of Islam, support and protect and push forward the moderated viewpoints so we can all live together under some basic live and let live principles."

Good luck abrogating the Koran. I do wish you God's speed on your quest to understand Islam, because clearly you don't.

" it is essential for us to work with Muslims that both respect the constitution AND still hold fundamentally Islamic beliefs."

Muslims can only do one or the other. If they respect "mans laws" then they die hypocrates and burn in hellfire according to their cult.

The Koran cannot be abrogated- that carries a death penalty, just as throwing a gum wrapper on the mosk lawn does, and just as being an apostate (leaving the religion) does. You are either a Muslim, or you are not. DO you know what a "moderate Muslim" really is? It's a uneducated muslim that has never read the koran. There are a lot of them, it's true. That's because Muslims recieve Islam orally, by equally ignorant Imams, in impoverished lands where education is learning to recite the koran by memory in a language they don't even speak (arabic)

The sad thing is, even if these ignorant muslims are shown what the Koran really says, they still choose Islam. The "moderates" become fundamentalists, not extremists. There is no such thing as an extremist muslim, just one who correctly follows and implements its teachings.

166 posted on 01/26/2007 12:29:59 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
The gentleman who started this thread, along with others who have fought courageously, have suggested there may be hope. You know, it strikes me as kind of funny that is was the ignorant Christians who didn't really know what the Bible said because they only heard it orally from their Church leaders who moderated Christianity.

It was the common people, not the "informed elite" that changed the way Christianity was practiced.

Neither one of us is going to convince the other. You will continue to be convinced that I am naive, and I will continue to be convinced you are needlessly pessimistic, so we need to just leave it at that.

But I would like a straight up yes or no answer to my original question so I clearly understand your position: Is your preferred policy kill or convert? And if your answer is no, what is your proposed solution?
175 posted on 01/26/2007 12:44:28 PM PST by pollyannaish
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