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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
It is statements like that one that the rest of the world will hold up as evidence that FR is a little more than a gathering place for intolerant bigots...

...and rocket scientists, obviously.

If one believes that Islam is a religion in the sense we understand religion, sure it's possible to be both. But it's not...Islam is no mere religion, it's also theocracy, which does conflict with being an American.

He can say he's both, he can assert he's both, he may even believe he's both. But there's an inherent internal conflict between the two that cannot be resolved; he will, at some point, have to choose.

It's not because someone criticized him; it's not because someone outlawed it; there's an inherent, internal, inevitable, irreconcilable conflict. Those who come from a society that understands a separation of church and state...have a fundamentally different world view than those who come from a Muslim society, where they are one and the same.

Islam is no mere religion...it comes with it's own system of government which is antithetical to ours.

130 posted on 01/26/2007 11:14:35 AM PST by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: gogeo

Agreed. Again, I asked the key question in Post #47...can you be a secular muslim and still be a muslim?

The issue is, that if I am a Muslim, and say "I am a Muslim, but I do not believe that Jews or Christians are less worthy of my respect or consideration because they believe in a different God" I may well get along with my fellow moderate Muslims as well as the Christians and Jews I associate with, but...I that makes me an apostate in the eyes of a not insignificant number of Muslims who do not believe that one can take that point of view and be considered a Muslim.

And the problem is...those extreme Muslims, in many parts of the world, control the thought process of the moderate ones who must kowtow to them or die. Anyone who reads this and thinks I am being melodramatic doesn't know what is going on in many places around the world where this is not just an intellectual exercise, but a blood drenched issue with the lives of you, your family and your friends at stake. If you speak out as a genuine voice of moderation...you may be murdered as a result.

In Brigitte Gabriel's book, she talks at length about this to butress her claims. Sure, she says, people in Egypt (for example) HAVE to knuckle under and keep quiet, but what about this country? Her question is: If MY religion was being hijacked by a few bad apples, I would be shouting it to the world...where is the "Million Muslim March" in this country where moderate muslims would make their voices heard on this issue?

Just for the record, for those who have not read her book, she was an Arab Christian (now an American citizen) who lived through the civil war in Lebanon and takes the view that you CANNOT be a muslim and be secular.


142 posted on 01/26/2007 11:47:01 AM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: gogeo
I agree with you...to a point.
Without getting into a HUGE theological discussion here, I will simply say that as a Christian, I do my best to live by the lessons given us in the Bible.
However, though I do believe what it has to say about Life, the Universe and Everything, I do not wish to conduct my life in accordance with a great many of the "laws" laid down in the Bible. The Ten Commandments are one thing but a careful reading of the rest of the Bible will show that much of it does not translate well to our times.
Much is the same with the Quran. The Islam we see clearest from day to day is Radical Islamofascism and it must be rooted out and destroyed. Period.
It is incumbent upon moderate Muslims like the author of the above article to see the light and come forth and denounce radical Islam and join us in the fight to eradicate it. If they do, victory will be ours. Without them, our struggle will be more than difficult. We must help them to help us rather than continually condemning them. Just my personal opinion.
242 posted on 01/26/2007 2:32:33 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Fell deeds awake! Now for wrath! Now for ruin! And the red dawn!)
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