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SAN FRANCISCO: 90,000 handicap cards -- 4 per S.F. parking meter
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 1/26/7 | Charlie Goodyear

Posted on 01/26/2007 8:10:36 AM PST by SmithL

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To: Brilliant

I would agree that most if not all residents of the fine city by the Bay are handicapped. The thing is that only 90.000 or them will admit it. From a city that gives us Sen Feinstein and Speaker Pelosi, should we be at all surprised?


41 posted on 01/26/2007 9:33:49 AM PST by milwguy
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To: Spktyr; pnh102

I'd say major cities should make a choice about what they want out of their parking spaces.

Do they want to generate funds for the city, OR, do they want to provide spots for handicapped individuals?

If the argument for having meters is to provide handicapped persons parking, and without such control the handicapped would have to walk many blocks to park their car, then it sounds like to me that the city should convert all street parking to handicapped parking. What if some non-handicapped person is parking in a spot that yet another handicapped person could use? If there is even just ONE, paid spot, even in a huge city, that's still one LESS spot for a handicapped person.

If the argument for having meters is to generate funds for the city, then even handicapped people should have to pay. After all, if the spot they parked in was close enough to walk from, to work, then they can obviously walk from work TO the meter when it expires, feed it, and then walk back. I mean, they make that journey FROM work TO the meter after work right? If anyone is so handicapped that they can only make that journey once in a work day, I honestly don't see how they can work at all!

It's either that, or San Fran and other cities should just shut up about not getting all the money they wanted, because there are no other options.


42 posted on 01/26/2007 9:34:02 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: 2banana
Hmmm - but they are healthy enough to go shopping at the mall? All that walking between stores?

Yes. Malls have seats, and don't have cars to dodge.

Or the person may just be going into a store that is close to the handicap spot. Or the person driving the car may be perfectly heathy, but is going to pick up someone who is disabled. Don't assume.

-Yossarian
(Who was sported a handicap placard on his car on a number of occassions....)

43 posted on 01/26/2007 9:42:06 AM PST by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: SmithL

Not surprising. California handicap placards are a farce. As many no doubt have posted, the majority of drivers with them are in no way handicapped. Get one for you senile parent who never drives, and hey! I can park anywhere I want!


44 posted on 01/26/2007 9:42:33 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: SmithL

I have a daughter, who is 8, with a seizure disorder, has a handicap sticker. (she cannot walk and is in a wheelchair). I make it a point to ask the perfectly healthy people who park in the space what there handicap is, or if they are just mentally handicaped. I think in the years I have done this I have seen 2 people really needing the spot. Be fearless, don't be afraid to ask but you'll be shocked by the reaction.


45 posted on 01/26/2007 9:43:22 AM PST by Palm Beach Pilot (Real pilots don't fly Airbus)
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To: Brilliant
"Only 90,000? I'd have guessed that all San Franciscans were handicapped."

Your guess may be closer to right than wrong.

Consider the facts:
1) SFs total population is 730,000
2) All of them cannot be drivers (under 18, non-drivers, etc.)
3) Many of the criminals and illegal aliens among them don't bother with drivers licenses.

46 posted on 01/26/2007 9:47:13 AM PST by drpix
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To: pnh102
I have no objections to reserved parking for handicapped individuals. I just don't understand why handicapped individuals should get to park for free in any spot, reserved or otherwise.

I've seen metered handicap parking spaces here in MI. To be honest I *like* the fact that they're treating those with disabilities just like everyone else. Parking is parking, and distance to the door has little to do with who pays and who doesn't.

I have a permanent tag myself, and lack of parking is an issue. I have good days and bad days, and if a regular space is just as close an available I'll use it. I try not to park in van accessable spots but at times I don't have a choice.

47 posted on 01/26/2007 9:47:14 AM PST by Kieri (A Grafted Branch (Rom. 11))
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To: Ditter
All handicapped parking permits are not permanent. Most have expiration dates. I guess those people at the gym are trying to get their strength back.

That's true, but when my hanging tag expires in four years, all I have to do is take it to the Secretary of State's office and they'll issue me a new one, no doctor's cert required.

48 posted on 01/26/2007 9:48:47 AM PST by Kieri (A Grafted Branch (Rom. 11))
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To: driftdiver
"For example, people with heart disease can't walk long distances."

Perhaps the cause of that is they weren't willing to do any walkin in the first place.

Don't mean to be insensitive but there is abuse of the handicap parking system.

Wow, I didn't know we had a cardiologist here on FR! Someone who is ready based on years of study and clinical experience to put down those with heart disease as lazy bums who deserve what they got!

I mean surely, it couldn't be that you're just some dumb arrogant fluster cluck of a human being that just sits behind a keyboard most of the day on some message board insulting people, could it? Nah....

49 posted on 01/26/2007 9:49:11 AM PST by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: SmithL

Same problem here in PA.

No oversight. Doctors hand them out to keep their fat, lazy cash cows happy.


50 posted on 01/26/2007 9:52:54 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: Yossarian

"Wow, I didn't know we had a cardiologist here on FR! Someone who is ready based on years of study and clinical experience to put down those with heart disease as lazy bums who deserve what they got!"

I'm sure there are numerous MD's on FR.

"I mean surely, it couldn't be that you're just some dumb arrogant fluster cluck of a human being that just sits behind a keyboard most of the day on some message board insulting people, could it?"

Good example that we also have plenty of those. There are treatment options for those with anger management issues.

I didn't insult anyone. Its common knowledge that lack of exercise impacts a persons heart health. Your not accepting that fact doesn't change it.


51 posted on 01/26/2007 9:59:01 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: 2banana

"Hmmm - but they are healthy enough to go shopping at the mall? All that walking between stores?"

They have electric scooters in many stores. I guess you don't get out too much.


52 posted on 01/26/2007 10:07:51 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood
They have electric scooters in many stores. I guess you don't get out too much.

No - I would have noticed that when they got out of the car. The original argument was that very normal and healthy looking people may be very sick and need to park so close to the mall.

53 posted on 01/26/2007 10:09:33 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kieri
I seen tags that are only good for 2 weeks and I have heard people say that their doctor refused to give them one. My doctor refused to give me a tag when my knee was injured, he said "stay off that knee". If a person has a permanent disability they they should be able to have a permanent tag. Using grandmothers tag when she isn't with them, should get them a big fine.
54 posted on 01/26/2007 10:12:31 AM PST by Ditter
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To: RobRoy
Man, liberals just have no clue whatsoever about the law of unintended consequences.

As long as legislation feeeeeeeels good, it must be good!

55 posted on 01/26/2007 10:12:47 AM PST by null and void (<----- Shocked and odd...)
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To: Ditter

I know better than that! "I HAVE seen tags".


56 posted on 01/26/2007 10:16:02 AM PST by Ditter
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To: KarlInOhio
My dad is legally blind, negotiating a long walk across a parking lot is a dangerous and scary proposition (He isn't moving all that fast either!).

He has a handicapped placard so the driver (me or a friend) can park close to the curb and assist him into the store.
57 posted on 01/26/2007 10:16:06 AM PST by null and void (<----- Shocked and odd...)
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To: KarlInOhio
What type of vision problems could you have which would allow you to drive but require you to park close to a building or free at a meter?

My father-in-law is blind, and has a handicap hanger for when someone drives him to the store.

My wife has handicap plates on her truck. She was exposed to Sarin during Gulf War I - very low level, due to the Air Force bombing of a warehouse containing a buttload of chemical munitions that people are new screeching Saddam didn't have. She walks with a walker, and every step hurts - but she's still walking ten years after the VA told her she'd be in a wheelchair.

Because of that, I'm the Denver area's biggest prick about handicap parking spaces. I've very nearly come to blows with several idiots who were "only parking there for a minute."
59 posted on 01/26/2007 10:17:08 AM PST by WardMClark (The guy that PeTA hates most. Ask me why.)
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To: Cooter
The disabled placard may be issued to a passenger in the vehicle. It is not limited to the driver. They should still have to pay for parking like everyone else, IMO.

Agreed.

60 posted on 01/26/2007 10:19:31 AM PST by null and void (<----- Shocked and odd...)
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