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How Will Illegal Immigration End? (Victor Davis Hanson)
RealClearPolitics ^ | January 25, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 01/25/2007 10:01:40 AM PST by EveningStar

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To: VU4G10
A wall is a great idea, but we have forces on both sides against us on the wall.It's gonna be a tough fight but we need it.
D.A. King in Atlanta is proposing that everyone get the local sheriff's dept's around the country to take a two week course that allows them to deal with illegals. there is a law 287G that allows local to get involved, its' not widely know and obviously never mentioned in the msm.
That may be the only hope .If we don't get the job done locally it will probably never get done.
101 posted on 01/26/2007 6:09:23 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Thombo2
...a handfull of families own and run Mexico... Mexico actively assists and encourages the masses to invade and "retake" the lands to the north.

In retaliation for the mafiaesque tactics of the Mexican elite, we need to support democratic revolution in Mexico.

Telling the truth about Mexico in our dealings with Mexicans will support genuine liberation movements in that country.

Every illegal caught should be subjected to a lecture on the corruption and tyranny of the Mexican government.

102 posted on 01/26/2007 8:49:24 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Dead Corpse
I'd offer the same proposition to Canada. Puerto Rico has already been petitioning for entry. I say we grant it to them.

Problem is, they'll all vote 'rat. I'm for annexation, but not admission as states, at least not right away, and no citizenship for the people there, until our own citizens are inter-settled among them and they petition for statehood. This would probably take a generation or two.

103 posted on 01/26/2007 8:58:40 AM PST by adx (Why's it called "tourist season" if you ain't allowed to shoot 'em?)
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To: EveningStar
In truth, Mexico City's creed is elitism and a fossilized cronyism.

Countries based on family loyalty "connections" rather than the rule of law are always poorer.

That's not going to change easily.

To complicate it, "family" based cultures have too many children - furthering their long term desperation.

Mexico, Iran, etc are prime examples.

104 posted on 01/26/2007 10:38:56 AM PST by GOPJ ("feminists who got where they are by marrying men with power: Hillary.Pelosi.and John Kerry"-Coulter)
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To: Steel Wolf; taxed2death; Argus; OCCASparky; Hugin; Dreagon; Thombo2; HarmlessLovableFuzzball
In truth, Mexico City's creed is elitism and a fossilized cronyism.

Countries based on family loyalty "connections" rather than the rule of law are always poorer.

That's not going to change easily.

To complicate it, "family" based cultures have too many children - furthering long term desperation.

Mexico and Iran are prime examples.

105 posted on 01/26/2007 10:45:19 AM PST by GOPJ ("feminists who got where they are by marrying men with power: Hillary.Pelosi.and John Kerry"-Coulter)
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To: EveningStar
VDH nails it again. Why is mexico a third world country while the US and Canada are 1st world? Corruption.

Can't help but think that the present policy on illegals has a lot to do with dodging a bullet in the last mexican presidential election.

106 posted on 01/27/2007 8:10:15 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: GOPJ

I would add to your post that countries based on "caste" systems are always poorer. Mexico's caste system at one time had as many as 100 complex classifications. This now "unofficial" system is still determining who comes to the U.S. illegally.


107 posted on 01/27/2007 8:13:07 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Funny, but I don't remember pressing 1 for English in 1994.)
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To: EveningStar

Illegal immigration will never end as long as there are liberals in congress. These bleeding heart loonies are the cause of every woe that the country has.


108 posted on 01/27/2007 8:31:04 PM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: Dead Corpse
Stop fining corporations who knowingly hire illegals and start tossing managers/CEO's in jail.

Why not do both? Use the fine money to finance the enforcement effort.

And the managers can pay for their own attorneys -- their compensation committees have been good enough to them at bonus time, they should all be able to afford Plato Cacheris and "Uncle Bob" Bennett.

109 posted on 01/27/2007 8:43:43 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Mexico's caste system at one time had as many as 100 complex classifications. This now "unofficial" system is still determining who comes to the U.S. illegally.

Are you referring to the business about all those names for different ethnic admixtures? Terms like cholo, jibaro, tente en el aire, salta atras, pardo, negro fino (same as pardo, I think -- what was called, in English, "griff"), cuatrero, ochavado ("octoroon"), chino, albino, criollo, mestizo, and all the rest?

110 posted on 01/27/2007 8:56:04 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: EveningStar

I have formed an exploratory committee to investigate the possibility of making a run at the Presidency in 2008, my platform of course will be ending illegal entry into the US across our SW border.

I propose a plan that will incorporate illegal aliens into the solution to ending illegal entry into the US.

Round up illegal aliens daily and make them watch the borders for border jumpers, for every one they catch, they get one more day's stay in the US, for every alien that gets by them, one of the watchers gets thrown back across the border.


111 posted on 01/27/2007 8:59:13 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Yes, exactly. "Salta atras" is always one I get a kick out of. Although, even in my family, just 2 generations ago, it was known who was criollo, who was mestizo, who was castizo, etc.


112 posted on 01/27/2007 8:59:36 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Funny, but I don't remember pressing 1 for English in 1994.)
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To: EveningStar
Round up illegals, give them training in guerrilla warfare, arm them with weapons ceased by police, deport them to Mexico City.
113 posted on 01/27/2007 9:07:59 PM PST by Boiling point (My tag line is grounded for misbehaving.)
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It will end when we are a third world country and broke to boot.


114 posted on 01/27/2007 9:09:09 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Why not do both?

Because it isn't the company hiring the illegals, it's the management. Workers, suppliers, and even consumers are the only ones that will be hurt by fining the company itself.

115 posted on 01/27/2007 9:39:53 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: hispanarepublicana
...countries based on "caste" systems are always poorer

You're right. Caste systems are classic examples of cultures based on short term benefits that lead to long term disasters. Cultural addiction paradigm...

116 posted on 01/27/2007 10:10:18 PM PST by GOPJ ("feminists who got where they are by marrying men with power: Hillary.Pelosi.and John Kerry"-Coulter)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Castizo I'm not familiar with. Oh, wait -- here it is. Aha, it's a Puerto Rican word; you're locating yourself. Same thing as ladino in other parts of the New World, meaning a person 3/4 Spanish and 1/4 indio, but which they called in Peru cuarteron de mestize (as opposed to cuarteron de mulato and cuarteron de chino, chino being roughly the same as marron).

I found a list of "classifications" that were used in the 16th-19th centuries on baptismal certificates (the Church was in charge of these documents, one of the many reasons the 1919 revolucionarios were so anticlerical), and I found castizo on that list.

There are some other terms that are current, like melote and marron, that were not on the list and may not have been current before this century, or whenever the list became "canonical".

Someone marron might have been called jibaro/jabaro, lobo, or chino or some other term, "back in the day," depending on the degrees of admixture.

Melote means "black" and is from Late Greek, I think. The classical Greek word was melas, to which would have been given the adjectival ending -otes (as in "patriot", "idiot", "zealot", and a few other words ending, in English, in "-ot") to yield a koine (New Testament/Roman Era Greek) and/or Late Greek word that would have been borrowed by Old Spanish, or inherited by it from the post-Late Latin "lingua rustica Romana".

My homebrew etymology, anyway.

117 posted on 01/27/2007 10:41:37 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: EveningStar

bump for later reading


118 posted on 01/27/2007 11:00:21 PM PST by albee (Okay. so he missed aThe best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

And make it a reality show. :)


119 posted on 01/28/2007 9:11:33 AM PST by EveningStar
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