Posted on 01/24/2007 10:17:35 PM PST by george76
Paying the fine would have been an admission that you had done something wrong. It might have be recorded as such in a law enforcement database. Better to contest and win. A clean record is worth $300.
Rich celebrities using the iron hand of government to take land for their own benefit. That reminds me of the uncompetitive steel manufacturers in Atlas Shrugged. If you can't beat the competition in the marketplace, pay a politician to put your competition out of business.
We are fighting this fight here in West Virginia. I just want to ride my bicycle... NOPE, no go in the f'n wilderness.
They have banned horses, hikers, and bikes...by us.
They probably have built resorts for themselves
"and where are the disabled activists ?"
Several years back a disabled prson sued in New York state for access to the parks. He won, and the eco-fascists were really p*ssed.
I believe, though, this was a state case using New York's version of ADA; however, it's a precedent that can be built on to open up federal socialist land to the physically impaired.
He won, and the eco-fascists were really p*ssed.
We should try this some more on federal public lands. It seems that this should have some standing.
This is so nice.
The government burning down the taxpayers cabins and building new cabins for themselves...with tax payer money.
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Ward is not 'teaching' any classes while this appeal goes on.
He still gets about $100,000 per year plus benefits from the taxpayers.
Is there any other organized efforts in Montana to try to keep some of the public lands somewhat open ?
Yes, I think it's Montanans for Multiple Use. They've been doing battle w/the eco-freaks for years and years. There's other groups as well fighting for our timber and mining industries. Recreation, ie, roaring through the forest on snowmobiles/ATVs, is another matter. Winter is sleep/hibernation time, would you like a snowmobile racing through your bedroom at 3:30 AM?
So we know there can't be 100% development of the forests, nor 100% closure, that's the basic idea of compromises between various groups. Clintonoid little ceasars in the forest service need an "attitude readjustment" to be sure, but think of our forests as husbandry : tending them like well kept gardens and lawns.
The germans have learned how with their Black Forest, it is kept neat as a pin, so why can't we learn from them?
Closing off huge sections of forest means they become a WEED PATCH and tinder box, ask any professional forest fire fighter what that means...and forget this nonsense about national parks being PRISTINE forests, they BURN just like any other FOREST(Yellowstone - 1988, Glacier - many years of fires up the northfork). IDIOTS let all that harvestable timber burn whereas loggers could feed the local tax base, ie, SCHOOLS, with that otherwise burned/wasted timber...
The pine beetles have been killing trees so fast that whole forests are now at risk for more massive fires soon.
The massive fires will pollute the air, then the ash will pollute the water, the ash will kill fish and other wildlife, the soil will be cooked...also killing the soil.
The mud slides will be next.
There seems to be very little scientific management. Some open fields for deer, elk, etc. to eat grass might be nice. Also these fields can be useful for eagles, hawks, etc for catching their lunch. The fields could double as a fire break.
The trees that are removed to create these fields can provide good local jobs, lumber for peoples homes, tax revenue for governments...when scientific management is available.
Keeping some of the historical dirt roads open also allows fire fighters to access the fires promptly plus provide support for the fire crews in the event of a fire storm.
The USFS use to be the 'Land of Many Uses'. We should return to a level of moderation and not only try to close off eveything to everyone.
IMO
U.S. Forest Circus, Department of Aggrivation.....
http://www.forestcircus.com/
LOL!!
The animal rights wacko's are responsible.
Yes, quite true. Intelligent husbandry would alleviate many of these problems whereas arrogance and SLOTH just makes things worse.
Years ago this architect began pondering upon a logging helicopter solution to timber harvesting, in response to the clinton-gore roadless nonsense. What I came up with, after some 8 design iterations, was almost identical to Dr Metreveli's aerosafe eagle concept : 4 rotors in a solid plate.
Actually my design had 6 rotors and central, spherical cabin w/transfer ring and U-JoinT action so that the cabin stays level whilst the outer plate/rotors can swing any-which-a-way. I called it SATurn U-JoinT, or SATUJT.
His impetus was the people jumping from the twin trade towers on 911, the solid plate can nudge right against solid buildings for rescue. My impetus was a safer LOGGING helicopter. Helicopters don't need forest roads.
With a skylogger on a drop cable, he goes to grade setting a choker cable above the tree's c.g., then down to the tree base and chain saws through it. Both are then pulled up by the hovering SATUJT and on to the next tree, repeat.
Thus no tire marks or tread marks, no roads, no clear cut mess left behind; just tree stumps close to the ground : SKYLOGGING. Plus with a 1% rule(1% of trees cut in a given area/year)you have a renewable resource with practically any tree type and yet who's going to even notice ONE TREE gone/year out of 100 on a typical mountainside.
Every week or so you read of a helicopter crash somewhere. Usually it's WIRES or TOWERS that the open rotor hits. With the solid plate you just bounce off; be it wires, trees, cliffs, buildings, TV towers....
Anyway, the 4 rotor idea isn't theoretical, it exists as the RC DraganFlyer II flying model, made in saskatoon.
Helicopter pilots make about $100K/yr, IF you can even FIND one to hire. It's a very DANGEROUS occupation. What we need then is a SAFER helicopter for SKYLOGGING.
I think that we agree.
Tearing up the wilderness is not our goal.
Being able to visit my old sites as we get older and less able is one of the goals.
Also to be able to teach our grandchildren how to respect the outdoors by showing them is another.
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