Imprisoned agent's wife: President is a hypocrite

Calls State of the Union speech 'total sellout of the United States of America to Mexico'

Monica Ramos, the wife of one of two U.S. Border Patrol agents imprisoned last week for wounding an escaping drug smuggler, attended the State of the Union speech in person last night – and was sharply critical of President Bush, calling him a hypocrite and worse.

Ramos, wife of Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos, attended the event as a guest of Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.

Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean began prison sentences last week, of 11 and 12 years respectively, for their actions in the shooting and wounding of a Mexican drug smuggler who was granted full immunity to testify against them.

At the conclusion of the speech, Ramos, emotional and in tears, told WND in an exclusive interview, that she considered President Bush's speech compete hypocrisy.

"How could President Bush say that he wanted to secure our borders and that he would double the size of the Border Patrol when my husband is in prison," she asked WND. "Ignacio was trying to secure our border from drug smugglers. And what do we get? I have to show my children their father in prison in chains and I have to explain to them that the president of the United States is a liar."

WND waited nearly an hour after the speech was concluded to be able to speak with a clearly emotionally upset Monica Ramos.

"President Bush can say all he wants that the solution to border security is new infrastructure and technology," Ramos told WND, "but as long as my husband is in jail the American people should know that President Bush doesn't mean a word he says."

"What I sat in the gallery and heard tonight," she said, "was a total sell-out of the United States of America to Mexico. I heard President Bush's message loud and clear. All the president has to offer is electronic gadgets. Meanwhile, our borders are wide open to illegal immigrants, criminals and drug smugglers. God help the honest men and women of the Border Patrol who want to do their duty. It's a losing battle – just ask my husband, he'll tell you the truth."

"The American people only need to ask me," Ramos pleaded to WND. "Tell America that President Bush doesn't mean a word of what he says about border security. My husband is in jail for trying to capture a drug smuggler and President Bush wants electronics? My husband is a hero and President Bush is a traitor as far as I'm concerned. Let him tell my children that he wants new 'infrastructure' or 'comprehensive immigration reform' when their dad who wore the Border Patrol badge for years is shackled and in chains for doing his job."

Rohrabacher agreed with Ramos, emphasizing to WND that "the Bush administration has a hidden agenda with Mexico and that agenda is to keep our border with Mexico wide open, even to drug smugglers."

Asked what message he wanted to send by inviting Ramos' wife to attend the speech in person, Rohrabacher explained: "I wanted to give Mrs. Ramos the opportunity to be in the room and look President Bush right in the face, knowing that this was the man who was destroying her life by his decision to prosecute her husband to the hilt."

Rohrabacher described the injustice he perceived in emotional terms: "By prosecuting these two Border Patrol agents while the drug smuggler is given immunity, President Bush has brutalized the lives of agents Ramos and Compean with a decision that threatens to destroy their families. The wives and the young children of these two Border Patrol agents are now being driven into poverty. The families have no health insurance, they are now losing their homes, and they face a mountain of debt to lawyers. This is a travesty of justice and a personal tragedy that should make President Bush ashamed.

Asked if he had achieved his purpose in inviting Monica Ramos to attend the speech, Rohrabacher told WND:

My purpose after hearing the State of the Union tonight is doubly resolved. President Bush needs to know that we will not rest until Border Patrol [officers] Ramos and Compean are set free.

In history there are cases where heroic people were brutalized and sacrificed by political powers in order to achieve a certain agenda. In this case, I think that's what's happening.

We have an administration that has a hidden agenda with Mexico such that George Bush wants an open border, even though an open border is not in the interests of the American people.

These Border Patrol agents are caught in the middle. They're Americans and they know what their job is supposed to be. They are being persecuted and prosecuted for our sake because they are getting in the way of a power play that has yet been disclosed to the public.

It brutalizes the lives and destroys the families of men who have been willing to sacrifice their lives for us for the last five and 10 years. This is both a tragedy and a travesty.

The continued insistence of the administration to prosecute these Border Patrol agents and to put them in jail and to shackle them and see the families of these men being driven into destitution – this indicates that there has been a decision right at the top that's based on arrogance and cruelty that I think unfortunately reflects our president. It's a side of the president that is now coming out.

We get calls back from the underlings, the assistant congressional liaison officers. This president doesn't return phone calls and he is arrogant and nasty and doesn't treat people very well, not even members of Congress.

The statement we're trying to make is that the president's policy along the border is responsible for murders, drug dealers and terrorists entering the country, millions of illegals. His policy has resulted in the undermining of those law enforcement officers guarding the border, he has totally demoralized the Border Patrol, and in the process of him trying to send a message to the Border Patrol he's destroying the lives of two families. … This person looking right into the face of the president in the same room, this mother of three, her life is being destroyed by President Bush's decision to fully prosecute to the hilt her husband.

American citizens need to rally around these two Border Patrol agents and should call the White House directly to register their protest to this travesty of justice.

President Bush made no reference to the Border Patrol case in a 50-minute speech that focused on domestic issues in the first half and international issues in the second half.

Monica Ramos told WND she was in Washington, D.C., to attend a meeting yesterday afternoon with concerned congressmen.

At least 70 members of the House have signed on to a resolution ordering a congressional pardon that would toss out the convictions and immediately free the former agents.

Monica Ramos described her first meeting with her husband in prison as "heart breaking."

Ramos confirmed the account provided WND by her father, Joe Loya. She acknowledged her husband is being held in solitary confinement in a 6-by-12 foot cell, without windows. Ignacio Ramos is not being allowed any exercise time, and he is shackled every time he leaves his cell.

"This may be for his protection from other inmates," Monica Ramos acknowledged to WND, "but this is abusive. They are treating my husband like the worst hardened criminal imaginable."

She said one of her three young children is so disturbed by the imprisonment that the family has decided to seek counseling for the child.

"My children are planning to visit their father for the first time this Friday," she said, expressing concern. "This will be the first time they see their dad shackled in chains, when they are used to seeing me send him off in his badge and uniform."

"My youngest child wanted to know if we could order pizza for dad in prison," Monic Ramos said. "No, I told him. Let's wait and have pizza night when daddy gets home."

And it's amazing to me that so many people are willing to accept that a suspect fleeing from the cops is evidence of mens rea -- a guilty mind

OK...why would he flee if he were a citizen, hunter, or local land owner? Running when ordered to halt is a very clear indication of an attempt to escape capture, to this Texan.....

.....I imagine you do NOT live in a border state nor are a land owner where illegals traverse and destroy your property, kill & steal livestock, destroy hunting cabins, and generally dismiss private property rights....

I don't think the moniker ZULU is racist, any more than YANKEE, X-RAY, WHISKEY, UNIFORM, TANGO, SIERRA, ROGER, etc. are. To be frank I would not have thought of it.

As for "Black Like Me," I read the book but did not see the movie. Movies usually spoil the book for me, if the book was a good read. The only significant exception to this was the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

As for your remarks re: the disproportionate sentences for the guards, if you click my name, look at the in forum link on my page, and review my comments on the page, you will find that I am in agreement with you. You may be surprised at how much we agree about that.

I do believe that there is a strong element of irrational hatred that runs through immigration threads here, and that just as the sentences are disproportionate to justice, the rxn of many of the more vocal freepers is disproportionate. They let their frustration with the border spill over into some of the most hateful statements I have seen, short of the "Stormfront" crowd. I think they should be ashamed of themselves.

You are either lying or you did not read the thread. Thsi fact was posted earlier in this thread. You have even responded to it.

I asked for a link and you post this crap? The only thing I have seen is a link to a tv station story, which stated CLEARLY that the supervisor was not even aware of the story until several weeks later when a relative of one of the OTHER guards called it in HERE is the link to that one.

I certainly did not respond to a link that claimed the guards knew and reported it themselves. You must have me confused with someone else. As a matter of fact, I searched through this thread to see if I could find the link to which you refer. I could not. Therefore, I am asking you once AGAIN to post where your information comes from that declares that the agents reported it to their superiors. And, once again, "reporting it" once someone else points out that you have NOT reported it is not exactly what I am referring to. That is just confessing when you are caught.

OK...why would he flee if he were a citizen, hunter, or local land owner? Running when ordered to halt is a very clear indication of an attempt to escape capture, to this Texan.....

But capture by whom? Just because you hear a voice saying "halt" doesn't mean that you aren't being threatened by a crooked cop or a fake cop. Even if you believe that they're legit, you could run because you have unpaid traffic tickets, past-due child support or bench warrants. None of those things, absent an imminent threat, justifies the use of deadly force.

And it's not just me saying it. An American court judged the officers guilty, and if there has been any claim that they were deprived of due process, I haven't seen it.

I'll also note that you deleted the second clause of that sentence -- that it is somehow not evidence of guilt to lie on documents and cover up facts. If it's reasonable to assume that Davilla was guilty because he ran, it's equally reasonable to assume that Compean and Ramos were guilty because they engaged in a cover-up of the events.

And I imagine you do not live in a large city where a fair number of people distrust the police, often with good reason, and where a lot of bystanders would be hurt if the police started blazing away, missing the target 14 times out of 15.

None of which changes the fact that it was an El Paso jury that voted to convict.

"None dare call it treason"

Indeed. When I first read Allen and Stormers book, I was 12 years old (40 years ago), my dad hung out with quite of number of reactionary conservatives. I was in a family who supported Goldwater (one of my heroes), and I was introduced to Mises, Friedman, Bastiatt, and Ronald Reagan (long before his presidency). My dad was probably one of the few white men in Alabama who refused to vote George Wallace because of his socialist tendencies. I still remember going to a Degrafenried for Governor rally, and then another Jim Martin for Governor Rally (4 years later). Of course, the Birchers had their tracts/books, and my dad brought home that one and encouraged me to read it. My remark was, I believe, that it should have been titled "None Dare Call It REASON."

Mixes just enough facts with a potpouri of insinuations, intimations, suggestions, theory, and then finishes it off with a dash of biblical chiliasm and paranoid nutjobism to make it a best seller along the lines of "Chariots of the Gods." Same kind of readership, different genre. Grist for the mill for the World Net Daily types. Again, same crowd, just different suits.

Check my last post about fleeing a law-enforcement officer.

WE are under invasion. These two people tried to do something about it.

The current administration supports that invasion. They decided to crucify these two guys rather than punish the illegal invading drug pusher.

What should have been a employer discplinary action was turned into a criminal prosecution because the current administration for some reaon doesn't want to anger illegal aliens and doesn't give a rat's @$$ about the opinions of the majority of Americans on illegal invaders.

They decied to make an example of overzealous border gaurds to force others to lighten up on stopping this invading army.

That's it in a nutshell.

My ancestors came from Europe. Some of them came from Germany and Italy. I know all about discrimination.

I have no problem with Hispanics. Some of my friends are Hispanics and I have dated Hispanics. I even learend Spainsh in school and am attempting to re-educate myself in that language.

You are correct. Some of the statements about illegals border on or are blatantly racist and anti-Hispanic. But a lot of those comments arise from frustration at the current adminsitration's deliberate policy of ignoring the problem or actively aggrevating it.

On the other hand, America's strength has been its ability to absorb people of many different cultural backgrounds and change them from whatever they were into that new breed - the American. That is only possible if a balanced number of immigrants from many sources come into the country. If a flood of immigrants from just one source overhwelms our society, our ability to aborb them and Americanize them will be compromised. Our mix of ethnic identities which are slowly, succesfully being distilled into one identity will be changed.

The flood of illegal Hispanics is doing just that today. We are in danger of changing from a multi-ethnic society with a common unique culture into a Hispanic American society. I don't think most Americans, including most Hispanic Americans want that. I certainly don;t want to live in either Germany or Italy or want America transformed into a copy of Germany or Italy.

The reason the current administration is following this policy is misdirected and self-serving. I beleive they are indebted to mega employers who support globalism like Home Depot, Burger King, Wal-MArt, etc, which want a mass of cheap unskilled disposable labor. They are also impacted by other industries like Ms. Pelosi's wineries, which rely on cheap foreign labor. And finally, they are impacted by Rove's flawed policy of supporting illegals in the mistaken belief that will translate into more votes for Republicans from Hispanic American citizens, who, for the most part, are just as outraged and angry about this situation as everyone else.

We can debate the problem of the border and the proposed solution in another forum (doubtless we shall). However, we HAVE to remember law. John Adams REFUSED to play the political lackey and stood for justice by defending the British soldiers on trial for the "Boston Massacre." The populace was frustrated beyond measure with the brits and were screaming for blood. He, in defending them, stated the famous line that Reagan attempted to quote and muffed "Facts are stubborn things." They were acquitted, and Adams lost over 1/2 of his practice to those who accused him of being a traitor and tory sympathizer. Of course, this was a lie, as he was passionately for rebellion, and wound up being the prime architect of our constitution.

The point to that is that ETHICS, MORALITY, and LAW must trump the political passions of the mob, whether they are screaming for the scalps of redcoats or demanding that border guards be let go.

It was a dirty play by the BP and they got caught. Life sux sometimes.

As did President Lincoln in the US Civil War, if that means setting aside some of the protections of the US Constitution, so be it. The New York Time should have been shut down the day they published "leaked" classified documents pertaining to the conduct of the war.. That would have sent a stern message to the traitors in our midst who have hobbled the war effort and are DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of American soldiers.

Jefferson and Adams viewed that kind of thought AT LEAST if not MORE dangerous than the traitors in our midst. You are woefully ignorant about the true nature of liberty.

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