Posted on 01/24/2007 5:51:23 AM PST by NapkinUser
OK...why would he flee if he were a citizen, hunter, or local land owner? Running when ordered to halt is a very clear indication of an attempt to escape capture, to this Texan.....
.....I imagine you do NOT live in a border state nor are a land owner where illegals traverse and destroy your property, kill & steal livestock, destroy hunting cabins, and generally dismiss private property rights....
As for "Black Like Me," I read the book but did not see the movie. Movies usually spoil the book for me, if the book was a good read. The only significant exception to this was the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
As for your remarks re: the disproportionate sentences for the guards, if you click my name, look at the in forum link on my page, and review my comments on the page, you will find that I am in agreement with you. You may be surprised at how much we agree about that.
I do believe that there is a strong element of irrational hatred that runs through immigration threads here, and that just as the sentences are disproportionate to justice, the rxn of many of the more vocal freepers is disproportionate. They let their frustration with the border spill over into some of the most hateful statements I have seen, short of the "Stormfront" crowd. I think they should be ashamed of themselves.
I asked for a link and you post this crap? The only thing I have seen is a link to a tv station story, which stated CLEARLY that the supervisor was not even aware of the story until several weeks later when a relative of one of the OTHER guards called it in HERE is the link to that one.
I certainly did not respond to a link that claimed the guards knew and reported it themselves. You must have me confused with someone else. As a matter of fact, I searched through this thread to see if I could find the link to which you refer. I could not. Therefore, I am asking you once AGAIN to post where your information comes from that declares that the agents reported it to their superiors. And, once again, "reporting it" once someone else points out that you have NOT reported it is not exactly what I am referring to. That is just confessing when you are caught.
That was cute!
That was cute!
The word is "PUTA" and is way out of line.
But capture by whom? Just because you hear a voice saying "halt" doesn't mean that you aren't being threatened by a crooked cop or a fake cop. Even if you believe that they're legit, you could run because you have unpaid traffic tickets, past-due child support or bench warrants. None of those things, absent an imminent threat, justifies the use of deadly force.
And it's not just me saying it. An American court judged the officers guilty, and if there has been any claim that they were deprived of due process, I haven't seen it.
I'll also note that you deleted the second clause of that sentence -- that it is somehow not evidence of guilt to lie on documents and cover up facts. If it's reasonable to assume that Davilla was guilty because he ran, it's equally reasonable to assume that Compean and Ramos were guilty because they engaged in a cover-up of the events.
.....I imagine you do NOT live in a border state nor are a land owner where illegals traverse and destroy your property, kill & steal livestock, destroy hunting cabins, and generally dismiss private property rights....
And I imagine you do not live in a large city where a fair number of people distrust the police, often with good reason, and where a lot of bystanders would be hurt if the police started blazing away, missing the target 14 times out of 15.
None of which changes the fact that it was an El Paso jury that voted to convict.
Indeed. When I first read Allen and Stormers book, I was 12 years old (40 years ago), my dad hung out with quite of number of reactionary conservatives. I was in a family who supported Goldwater (one of my heroes), and I was introduced to Mises, Friedman, Bastiatt, and Ronald Reagan (long before his presidency). My dad was probably one of the few white men in Alabama who refused to vote George Wallace because of his socialist tendencies. I still remember going to a Degrafenried for Governor rally, and then another Jim Martin for Governor Rally (4 years later). Of course, the Birchers had their tracts/books, and my dad brought home that one and encouraged me to read it. My remark was, I believe, that it should have been titled "None Dare Call It REASON."
Mixes just enough facts with a potpouri of insinuations, intimations, suggestions, theory, and then finishes it off with a dash of biblical chiliasm and paranoid nutjobism to make it a best seller along the lines of "Chariots of the Gods." Same kind of readership, different genre. Grist for the mill for the World Net Daily types. Again, same crowd, just different suits.
Check my last post about fleeing a law-enforcement officer.
WE are under invasion. These two people tried to do something about it.
The current administration supports that invasion. They decided to crucify these two guys rather than punish the illegal invading drug pusher.
What should have been a employer discplinary action was turned into a criminal prosecution because the current administration for some reaon doesn't want to anger illegal aliens and doesn't give a rat's @$$ about the opinions of the majority of Americans on illegal invaders.
They decied to make an example of overzealous border gaurds to force others to lighten up on stopping this invading army.
That's it in a nutshell.
I used a mistaken terminology when I said 'impeach' as should have said Sutton should be 'removed from position' i.e. fired!!
My ancestors came from Europe. Some of them came from Germany and Italy. I know all about discrimination.
I have no problem with Hispanics. Some of my friends are Hispanics and I have dated Hispanics. I even learend Spainsh in school and am attempting to re-educate myself in that language.
You are correct. Some of the statements about illegals border on or are blatantly racist and anti-Hispanic. But a lot of those comments arise from frustration at the current adminsitration's deliberate policy of ignoring the problem or actively aggrevating it.
On the other hand, America's strength has been its ability to absorb people of many different cultural backgrounds and change them from whatever they were into that new breed - the American. That is only possible if a balanced number of immigrants from many sources come into the country. If a flood of immigrants from just one source overhwelms our society, our ability to aborb them and Americanize them will be compromised. Our mix of ethnic identities which are slowly, succesfully being distilled into one identity will be changed.
The flood of illegal Hispanics is doing just that today. We are in danger of changing from a multi-ethnic society with a common unique culture into a Hispanic American society. I don't think most Americans, including most Hispanic Americans want that. I certainly don;t want to live in either Germany or Italy or want America transformed into a copy of Germany or Italy.
The reason the current administration is following this policy is misdirected and self-serving. I beleive they are indebted to mega employers who support globalism like Home Depot, Burger King, Wal-MArt, etc, which want a mass of cheap unskilled disposable labor. They are also impacted by other industries like Ms. Pelosi's wineries, which rely on cheap foreign labor. And finally, they are impacted by Rove's flawed policy of supporting illegals in the mistaken belief that will translate into more votes for Republicans from Hispanic American citizens, who, for the most part, are just as outraged and angry about this situation as everyone else.
The point to that is that ETHICS, MORALITY, and LAW must trump the political passions of the mob, whether they are screaming for the scalps of redcoats or demanding that border guards be let go.
It was a dirty play by the BP and they got caught. Life sux sometimes.
I must admit that I have not followed the details of this case but, I know of no jurisdiction in the US that allows a suspected felon to be shot in the back.
Jefferson and Adams viewed that kind of thought AT LEAST if not MORE dangerous than the traitors in our midst. You are woefully ignorant about the true nature of liberty.
Who is Polycarp?
IF I were wanting the President to pardon my husband, I sure wouldn't be mouthing off about him. How stupid is that!! There's plenty of time and reasons to do it after they get their pardons. ;o) IF they do!
Disciple of St. John the Apostle. Early Church Father. Fed to the lions by the Romans in the 2nd Century A.D. In Foxe's Book of Martyrs. Famous for several quips and a VERY sarcastic series of replies to the Romans who martyred him found HERE
Correction: technically, Polycarp was a second generation disciple of John. He actually hung out more with a guy named "Ignatius" but the tradition has it he knew St. John the disciple of Jesus. Who knows?
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