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To: gcruse; Carry_Okie; 353FMG; Mr. Jeeves; Clintonfatigued; volunbeer; Peter Libra; BlazingArizona; ...

It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law, something both the Neo-Pagan Left and the pagan Islamic thugs cannot abide and wish to destroy.

The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses.

Historically, this is proven over and over again with the successive conflicts between the forces of paganism and the Judaic culture. (This includes the idolatry of cultural Marxist paganism.)


47 posted on 01/24/2007 3:42:45 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; freethinker
Your statement.

It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel,Jews Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law.

On the belief that the destruction or subjugation of Western Civilization by Islam, is inherent within Islam,may be the biggest "struggle for the mind". Once it is established that this is the case, then the West can prepare itself. Our survival will count on sheer determination and swift reprisals striking fear into them- the MOVERS behind the young fools, the "martyrs" of death. It seems THEY love the advantages of industrialization as much as any Westerner.

Now we are down to that excellent scholar D'Souza. He has a lot to offer us. Just the same as Mark Steyn (America Alone) and Robert Spencer (The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam).

Now it could well be, that his reason is a very important point. Not that it is the basic reason, but it certainly does fuel some inner demon. That demon is the absolute inner lust of these misguided young men. Then they are told it is the work of the devil. Not ye olde testosterone.

Our Achilles heel is in constantly trying to "understand them". NOW I will start to become irrational. Best I end my screed. With 9 degrees Fahrenheit,and brilliant sunshine up in Great Lakes country, at least something is jolly well back to normal. (Laughs)

55 posted on 01/24/2007 8:14:00 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

"It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization."


But they'r still the ROP. Just ask Bush, Rice and other political leaders.


56 posted on 01/24/2007 8:34:42 AM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Interesting points and discussion.

Do Muslims blame the temptress more than the sinner? I have noticed this theme seems rather consistent vs christianity where the sinner blames his/herself.

I attended undergrad at a small Southern Baptist school and knew more than a few Missionary kids (MK's), Preachers kids (PK's), and others who came from a sheltered/strict homelife who had little to no self-control with their new freedoms. From my observations, more of these kids had problems with binge drinking, sexuality, and other social behaviors that most kids seemed better equipped to control due to familiarity. My observations are in no way scientific but I think this is a fair statement.

Many Islamic students who come to America come from a similiar background and homelife as do MK's/PK's or other fundamentalists. The "shock" of our culture was most pronounced in MK's who had lived overseas in a sheltered environment similiar to what is described by D'Souza.

My wife and I both saw enough of this to realize that we do not want to shelter our children from the world so much that they are unprepared to confront it on their own making wise choices along their way.

We live in a liberal culture where almost anything goes and some of them come from a strict culture where anything outside the norm can get you killed or beaten. I am sure for many of them it is jealousy but I can see how a few of them would be filled with self-hatred for their desires and transfer that hatred to our culture. Throw in the poverty, funadmentalism, and lack of perspective/education on top of these perceptions and I don't wonder that we are the Great Satan in the eyes of many.

I still believe their religion will never allow them to totally accept liberal culture. But, it is important for Americans to understand the threat our liberal culture presents to the culture of Islam just as it is important to understand the point you more ably made about the differences in Mosaic Law.

As others have noted is there are large numbers of them who come from a more progressive "Western" backgrounds who like American culture (music/movies etc) but we should all understand those who lived under the Taliban, in the fundamentalist ghetto's/villages, or other strict Islamic environments are ill equipped to understand our culture and predisposed to hate it. This is their main recruiting pool and it will not run out anytime soon.

There are also those who despite their education (or even familiarity with our culture ala the British terrorist) become twisted religious kamikaze's who feel convinced it is their religious duty to kill us.

We will have to fight both.....

We must understand the "why" if we are going to win this war and this author provides good insight into a small part of why they hate us.

Understanding "why" should help us realize why we must prosecute this war to the death until the radicals are gone for good because I don't believe we can co-exist and I don't think we will win their hearts and minds.

It took us over 40 years to liberalize our culture to the point that individual freedoms outweighed our social sensibilities. While I don't like all the changes from a socially conservative point of view..... it's not going to change. The MSM and our leaders need to understand that we don't have 40 years to liberalize them to the point where they accept us. It's not going to happen so where does that leave us?


61 posted on 01/24/2007 10:23:48 AM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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