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**LIVE Thread - State of the Union Address [starting at approx. comment 400]
http://www.cspan.org/ ^ | 1-23-07

Posted on 01/23/2007 4:45:40 PM PST by STARWISE

Edited on 01/23/2007 6:37:01 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: m3d1um

Nonsense, they appropriated $$ to get started on the fence, and they also have the Nat. Guard down there improving roads and supplementing surveillance. Is it enough, of course not. But it is a start. A start 50 years overdue. Once again, laying all the blame for this on GWB's feet is ridiculous. He has moved the ball forward on the this issue, not backwards. Any objective analysis would show that.

A Faustian bargain perhaps on CFR. Since it destroyed the 1st amendments protections of speech, can you explain to me how the past 2 election years saw huge INCREASES in $$ for political ads, and how no one silenced MoveOn.org, FreeRepublic, the Swifties, Code Pink, etc or prevented huge rallies, doorbelling, debate shows, Op-eds, internet fundraising, billboards, etc etc. Face it, MF is a farce, just like every other idiotic attempt to regulate electioneering. Granted, it is still a POS law, but shall we also blame Bush for all the other dozens and dozens of campaign finance regulations that have "gutted" the first Amendment over the last 200 years? Why not blame Bush, since he gets all of your wrath about decades of border neglect.

Correct, Bush deserves blame for the prescription drug benefit welfare. Yet he told you and I that was exactly what he was going to do. I despise ALL welfare, as I'm sure you do, but I still voted for GWB, knowing it was coming. The difference between GWB and all the previous Presidents and congresses that kept jawboning about creating this benefit is that Bush actually did it, just like he said.

But by far your biggest CANARD is this idea that GWB is giving up our sovereignty to Mexico or ANYONE ELSE. Bush is the ANTI-GLOBALIST, regardless of the nonsense you and Savage spout:

Did Bush suspend the abortion $ that was going to foreign aid, reversing a clintoon exec order?

Did Bush unilaterally withdraw from the ABM?

Did Bush reject the Kyoto protocol against world condemnations?

Did Bush give the harshest speech to the UN it ever received in the lead up to the Iraq war?

Did Bush appoint John Bolton over the UN's and the Dems vociferous objections?

Did Bush unilaterally reject the International Criminal Court?

Is Bush the only world leader who gave Israel cover to pound Hezbollah?

Did Bush give in and stop the NSA surveillance program because europe complained?

Did Bush conquer Iraq despite the UN telling him not to invade?

Did Bush allow bombings of a terrorist pow-wow accross the Pakistani border without UN approval?

Did he allow a hellfire missile to take out some terror scum in Yemen w/o UN approval of an attack on yemeni soil?

Did Bush put up steel tarrifs for a year despite the gnashing of teeth from the GATT and our allies?

Did Bush play hardball with the Canadians on soft lumber for the last 5 years? Did Bush play hardball with the canadians on salmon fishing harvests in 2001/2002?

Is Bush pushing for nuclear power plants, more coal plants and drilling in ANWR despite the howls of the global warming cretins and envirowackos?

Do our troops operate anywhere in the world under the UN banner or did Bush sign an executive order prohibiting it?

Is Bush heeding the UN and other world critics about the need to ban the death penalty?

Did Bush close down Guantanamo or any other prison despite the international condemnation?

Did Bush send Rummy to NATO to get along with the status quo or to pull it out of its stupor?

Did Bush sit down for one on one talks with NoKo because Kofi Annan and the globalists said he must?

Is Bush offering Japan and Israel and Australia and Britain our missile defense systems because Russia and China approve?

Is Bush pushing for NATO expansion despite Russia foaming at the mouth and the euroweenies cowering about it?

Did Bush and Cheney call Putin on the carpet because it would smooth international relations?

Who, besides Bush and the Pope, call on China to open up to political and religious freedom?

Who was the ONLY president to EXPLICITLY say we will defend Taiwan against a chinese aggression?

Which world leader told the UN to pound sand and caused it's gun grabbing conference on small arms control to flop?

Who said that we will treat any regime that sponsors terrorists the same as the terrorists themselves?

Who is the only world leader pushing hard to isloate Iran over the nuclear program?

Did Bush allow the execution of Mexican criminals over the screeching objections of the Mexican gov't?

Who is pushing for massive UN reform?

Who has been insisting on a constitutional amendment against gay marriage.

Who spearheaded the arms shipment interception policy with a handful of other countries that did not ask the UN for approval, and which led to busting Kaddafi?

Which country is putting the kabash on UN talks regarding international taxation?

Who is having troops operate in the horn of Africa w/o UN approval?

Which leader has called the islamo fascists islamo fascists?

Is Bush content with the status quo in the ME or is he ramrodding changes down their throats?

Has Bush lifted the sanctions on Cuba due to international pressure, or did he up the fines to Americans that travel there?

Did Bush cave into the euroweenies who complained about the size of the corporate tax cuts he signed into law?

Who just lined his birdcage with the worldwide heavily touted Iraq Survey Group report?

Is Bush sitting down with the Mullahs and boy Assad since all the other Arab nations and Europeans are begging us to?

Is Bush buying into the French and leftist and paleocon arguments that Iraq is creating more terrorists or is he sticking to his guns and snuffing them?

Did Bush wait for UN and Arab league approval to send in AC-130 gunships and exterminate Somali jihadis last week?

Is Bush seeking world approval for helping the Ethiopians and patrolling the Somali Coast.

Does Bush really care that the rest of the world thinks sending warships to the Persian Gulf "inflames tensions"?

Did Bush authorize the snatching of Iranian "envoys" in Iraq the last few weeks against all worldly protocols?

Did Bush hand over Saddam and his henchmen to the Iraq gov't for execution, or did he listen to the counsel of Kofi, Tony Blair, Chirac, etc?

Has Bush veto'd all the hugely lopsided condemnation votes of Israel in the UN over the last 6 years, or is he going along to get along?

The bottom line is this. Bush's positives far outweigh his negatives. I could pick 5 or 6 negative things Reagan did, and like you, try to use them to paint RWR as a incompetent buffoon: Botched Iran-Contra, REAL amnesty for 4 million illegals that opened the floodgates to millions more border crossers, withdrawing from Lebanon after the Marine barrack debacle, letting free-spending libs have their way with the budget, letting Liddy Dole run roughshod over the 10th Amendment - forcing states to set their drinking age at 21, etc. But a thinking person will take these negatives and compare them to Reagan's positives and realize on balance, he was one of the few GREAT presidents this country has ever had.

Same goes with GWB. His facing off against the world's terrorists is every bit as important as Reagan facing off against the USSR. And once again, the ridicule of the MSM, all the leftists moonbats, the appeasers and the ankle biting "conservatives" will have the same effect on GWB as they did on RWR. They will all be forgotten as the worthless sissies they are, or they will spend time try polish their image (like John Kerry at the '04 Dem convention praising Reagan and pretending that he too was a cold warrior standing shoulder to shoulder with RWR to defy the evil empire - BARF BARF BARF). And Bush will have to do nothing to polish his image. The jihadis still left hiding in caves will continue to curse his name, while the muslim ME is finally brought into the modern world.

And just for the record, GWB is an even bigger tax cutter than Reagan.





221 posted on 01/23/2007 5:53:45 PM PST by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: buccaneer81

Thanks for the ping to your post. I loved Reagan(like all of us here)......but Reagan was not always popular with every member of our party and DrDeb's post was needed to bring perspective to the current debate.


222 posted on 01/23/2007 5:53:51 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: glasater

"Amen to that statement--and I truly believe he will be considered the "Lincoln" of our time."

Be careful what you wish for.


223 posted on 01/23/2007 5:53:56 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: stockpirate

Nice post.

I guess you're pretty satisfied?


224 posted on 01/23/2007 5:54:37 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO because I'm too conservative to be a real Republican.)
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To: stockpirate
Once again, laying all the blame for this on GWB's feet is ridiculous. He has moved the ball forward on the this issue, not backwards.

Tell that to the families of the imprisoned Border Patrol officers.

225 posted on 01/23/2007 5:54:51 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: glasater
and I truly believe he will be considered the "Lincoln" of our time.

Might be. This, to all the hysterics that say NO President has EVER been more MALIGNED!!!

226 posted on 01/23/2007 5:55:04 PM PST by paulat
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To: paulat

I'm losing my dinner looking at patches Kennedy.


227 posted on 01/23/2007 5:55:24 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: EnochPowellWasRight

Hope he stays away from the theater!


228 posted on 01/23/2007 5:55:25 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO because I'm too conservative to be a real Republican.)
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To: paulat

Bump for later.


229 posted on 01/23/2007 5:55:31 PM PST by umgud (The profound is only so to those that it is.)
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To: STARWISE

Anyone up for a game of BS Bingo?


230 posted on 01/23/2007 5:55:33 PM PST by null and void (<----- Shocked and odd...)
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To: VRWC For Truth
The obvious tactic when the left is firing is to shoot back. These RINOs think they can duck and cover.

And in many years they haven't noticed it's not working, not effective. That's what has me disgusted with the party in general. I don't feel like we've taken the fight to them since Newt.

231 posted on 01/23/2007 5:55:36 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Eagle Eye

You guessed wrong. Once just wasn't enough.


232 posted on 01/23/2007 5:55:46 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I just saw Michael J. Fox. Blah.


233 posted on 01/23/2007 5:55:47 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: SoCalPol
This is ridiculous, Bush bashing, Reagan bashing. I hope there is a republican on the thread besides me

You rang? :)

Working...lurking...praying...asked our local Christian station talk show host to do the same...just got confirmation from the staff.

234 posted on 01/23/2007 5:55:51 PM PST by Christian4Bush (Too bad these leftist advocates for abortion didn't practice what they preach on themselves.)
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To: Cricket24

I used to blame the weak kneed republican Congress criters for all that has been going wrong, but I think I was wrong.

Conservative congressional republicans got no support from this president from his adamant refusal to control the massive invasion of the country to his proposing huge new entitlements, to preferring to work with Kennedy on Education, they were stymied at every turn. Only when they refused to accept his idiotic supreme court nomination and demanded a conservatives did he finally relent. He is an embarrassment to conservatism and we will all suffer because he so ineptly carried the torch for conservative values.


235 posted on 01/23/2007 5:56:07 PM PST by brydic1
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To: STARWISE

Fox News live internet stream (shows Rats arriving):

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236 posted on 01/23/2007 5:56:18 PM PST by CedarDave (Nancy Pelosi - Look alike twin to the Georgia runaway-bride. Now if she would only run away too...)
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To: Pyro7480

Plugs Biden just walked by.


237 posted on 01/23/2007 5:56:18 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: stockpirate

Thank you for posting that long extensive fantastic list of President Bush's achievements. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.


238 posted on 01/23/2007 5:56:22 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Enosh
"2008? Forget it. "

It's looking like that, with McCain or Guiliani being the two media-picked contenders. I'm tired of sacrificing my honor. I will not vote for either of those two. I'll write in Mickey Mouse if I have to.

"Ronald Reagan. "

I wasn't old enough to vote for Reagan. I voted against George HW Bush's opponent....
239 posted on 01/23/2007 5:56:32 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: advance_copy
I want every stupid pathetic nimwit who decided to "teach the Republicans a lesson" in November 2006 to realize that they have damaged our country. They put Nancy Pelosi up there. They gave the Senate to Dingy Harry. And they sold out our troops in Iraq.

We lost in November because corruption ran amuck in the Republican Party, because Americans have a brief attention span, because the Dems were smart and ran candidates who were conservative enough to win but opposed to Bush policies on key issues like Nafta/Cafta and Iraq, because the Bush Administration did not perform as well as the American people expected they should and because Republicans in general lost their way fiscally embodied by bridges to nowhere and fits of pique about those bridges to nowhere.

That's the unvarnished truth.

240 posted on 01/23/2007 5:56:39 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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