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**LIVE Thread - State of the Union Address [starting at approx. comment 400]
http://www.cspan.org/ ^ | 1-23-07

Posted on 01/23/2007 4:45:40 PM PST by STARWISE

Edited on 01/23/2007 6:37:01 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: DrDeb
. . . of course the same can be said for President Bush and the War on Terror!

Good point. But Homeland Security includes securing our borders. The President shows no interest in safeguarding our Southern flank.

201 posted on 01/23/2007 5:50:28 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: SoCalPol

I'm a Conservative on here, does that count?


202 posted on 01/23/2007 5:50:52 PM PST by Current Occupant (DBM, Libs, 5th column,PC will destroy this country. Preach it TALKIES while you still can!!!!!!)
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To: Eagle Eye

"I admire and respect the President as a person and man I just don't agree that most of his policies are worth supporting. "

Sadly, I agree. After 2004, it just became harder and harder to excuse the liberal policy decisions this "New Tone" encouraged...

"I didn't vote for him; I voted against Kerry."

Just once in my life I'd like to have a Presidential candidate to vote FOR, not AGAINST.

Just once.


203 posted on 01/23/2007 5:50:58 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: COEXERJ145
From what I'm reading, I predict there will be a lot less of this...

He wants Hillary to win! He wants Pelosi as speaker! He wants to turn it over to the Dems! I can't believe he said that! I've known he was a BircherBuchananiteDUTrollDemInfiltratorMobyStormfronter all along! Are you kidding me! Reagan hardly ever balanced the budget! Reagan didn't control the border! Reagan gave amnesty to millions of illegal aliens too! You can bet Hillary won't control the borders or balance the budget!! You can bet Pelosi won't control the borders or balance the budget! We're at war! He's supporting the terrorists!! When campaigning, President Bush never said that he wanted absolute control of the border! He's unappeasable! What a malcontent!! He's a racistxenophobantihispanicnazibigot who hates Mexicans!!! He's a secret member of Stormfront!!! He wants to turn it all over to the Democrats!!!!!! He's never been a real conservative!!! He hates Bush!! He wouldn't say any of this if he wasn't a Bush basher!!! He hates Republicans too!!! What does he want, for everyone to vote third party!!?!! Shut up, Go away!!! We don't need your support anyway!! We don't need the votes of the so-called "conservatives" that you're talking about because they're just a bunch of moronic, right-wing, extremist, fringe whacko, malcontent, unappeasable, fake conservative, democrat loving, stupid hicks who want Hillary for President and Pelosi for speaker!!! They probably never voted for Republicans in the first place! They're just Democrats trying to ruin our chances! The polls are lying!!! Look at their sign up date, anything after mine is suspect. The site has been infiltrated by BircherBuchananiteDUTrollDemInfiltratorMobyStormfronterracistxenophobantihispanicnazibigots and all they do is whine and bitchbithchbitchbitchbitch all the time...

on this thread.

204 posted on 01/23/2007 5:51:23 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: advance_copy
O'Reilly is making me sick. Say Iraq has damaged the President forever, and that the folks won't tolerate the war much longer.
205 posted on 01/23/2007 5:51:23 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: advance_copy

There is that...I warned'em myself, for what it was worth, whenever I could....


206 posted on 01/23/2007 5:51:32 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Miss Didi

Yep... and McKinney (of all people), almost fell running to shake his hand last year (remember the taken seats debacle?). LOL


207 posted on 01/23/2007 5:51:46 PM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: WalterSkinner

Wheew... for a second I was afraid you were a koolaide drinker! L0L


208 posted on 01/23/2007 5:51:51 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: buccaneer81

My point, bashing one president to push up another
is not helpful


209 posted on 01/23/2007 5:51:53 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: stockpirate

Thank you stockpirate....I will....there's a pic of him on my home page...


210 posted on 01/23/2007 5:51:56 PM PST by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: jaycee

Which one is Christie ... Brinkley ?


211 posted on 01/23/2007 5:52:02 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

That's cause people like him saying that over and over and over...


212 posted on 01/23/2007 5:52:40 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: advance_copy

Well all this was posted to me on another thread so I am passing it along:

Nonsense, they appropriated $$ to get started on the fence, and they also have the Nat. Guard down there improving roads and supplementing surveillance. Is it enough, of course not. But it is a start. A start 50 years overdue. Once again, laying all the blame for this on GWB's feet is ridiculous. He has moved the ball forward on the this issue, not backwards. Any objective analysis would show that.

A Faustian bargain perhaps on CFR. Since it destroyed the 1st amendments protections of speech, can you explain to me how the past 2 election years saw huge INCREASES in $$ for political ads, and how no one silenced MoveOn.org, FreeRepublic, the Swifties, Code Pink, etc or prevented huge rallies, doorbelling, debate shows, Op-eds, internet fundraising, billboards, etc etc. Face it, MF is a farce, just like every other idiotic attempt to regulate electioneering. Granted, it is still a POS law, but shall we also blame Bush for all the other dozens and dozens of campaign finance regulations that have "gutted" the first Amendment over the last 200 years? Why not blame Bush, since he gets all of your wrath about decades of border neglect.

Correct, Bush deserves blame for the prescription drug benefit welfare. Yet he told you and I that was exactly what he was going to do. I despise ALL welfare, as I'm sure you do, but I still voted for GWB, knowing it was coming. The difference between GWB and all the previous Presidents and congresses that kept jawboning about creating this benefit is that Bush actually did it, just like he said.

But by far your biggest CANARD is this idea that GWB is giving up our sovereignty to Mexico or ANYONE ELSE. Bush is the ANTI-GLOBALIST, regardless of the nonsense you and Savage spout:

Did Bush suspend the abortion $ that was going to foreign aid, reversing a clintoon exec order?

Did Bush unilaterally withdraw from the ABM?

Did Bush reject the Kyoto protocol against world condemnations?

Did Bush give the harshest speech to the UN it ever received in the lead up to the Iraq war?

Did Bush appoint John Bolton over the UN's and the Dems vociferous objections?

Did Bush unilaterally reject the International Criminal Court?

Is Bush the only world leader who gave Israel cover to pound Hezbollah?

Did Bush give in and stop the NSA surveillance program because europe complained?

Did Bush conquer Iraq despite the UN telling him not to invade?

Did Bush allow bombings of a terrorist pow-wow accross the Pakistani border without UN approval?

Did he allow a hellfire missile to take out some terror scum in Yemen w/o UN approval of an attack on yemeni soil?

Did Bush put up steel tarrifs for a year despite the gnashing of teeth from the GATT and our allies?

Did Bush play hardball with the Canadians on soft lumber for the last 5 years? Did Bush play hardball with the canadians on salmon fishing harvests in 2001/2002?

Is Bush pushing for nuclear power plants, more coal plants and drilling in ANWR despite the howls of the global warming cretins and envirowackos?

Do our troops operate anywhere in the world under the UN banner or did Bush sign an executive order prohibiting it?

Is Bush heeding the UN and other world critics about the need to ban the death penalty?

Did Bush close down Guantanamo or any other prison despite the international condemnation?

Did Bush send Rummy to NATO to get along with the status quo or to pull it out of its stupor?

Did Bush sit down for one on one talks with NoKo because Kofi Annan and the globalists said he must?

Is Bush offering Japan and Israel and Australia and Britain our missile defense systems because Russia and China approve?

Is Bush pushing for NATO expansion despite Russia foaming at the mouth and the euroweenies cowering about it?

Did Bush and Cheney call Putin on the carpet because it would smooth international relations?

Who, besides Bush and the Pope, call on China to open up to political and religious freedom?

Who was the ONLY president to EXPLICITLY say we will defend Taiwan against a chinese aggression?

Which world leader told the UN to pound sand and caused it's gun grabbing conference on small arms control to flop?

Who said that we will treat any regime that sponsors terrorists the same as the terrorists themselves?

Who is the only world leader pushing hard to isloate Iran over the nuclear program?

Did Bush allow the execution of Mexican criminals over the screeching objections of the Mexican gov't?

Who is pushing for massive UN reform?

Who has been insisting on a constitutional amendment against gay marriage.

Who spearheaded the arms shipment interception policy with a handful of other countries that did not ask the UN for approval, and which led to busting Kaddafi?

Which country is putting the kabash on UN talks regarding international taxation?

Who is having troops operate in the horn of Africa w/o UN approval?

Which leader has called the islamo fascists islamo fascists?

Is Bush content with the status quo in the ME or is he ramrodding changes down their throats?

Has Bush lifted the sanctions on Cuba due to international pressure, or did he up the fines to Americans that travel there?

Did Bush cave into the euroweenies who complained about the size of the corporate tax cuts he signed into law?

Who just lined his birdcage with the worldwide heavily touted Iraq Survey Group report?

Is Bush sitting down with the Mullahs and boy Assad since all the other Arab nations and Europeans are begging us to?

Is Bush buying into the French and leftist and paleocon arguments that Iraq is creating more terrorists or is he sticking to his guns and snuffing them?

Did Bush wait for UN and Arab league approval to send in AC-130 gunships and exterminate Somali jihadis last week?

Is Bush seeking world approval for helping the Ethiopians and patrolling the Somali Coast.

Does Bush really care that the rest of the world thinks sending warships to the Persian Gulf "inflames tensions"?

Did Bush authorize the snatching of Iranian "envoys" in Iraq the last few weeks against all worldly protocols?

Did Bush hand over Saddam and his henchmen to the Iraq gov't for execution, or did he listen to the counsel of Kofi, Tony Blair, Chirac, etc?

Has Bush veto'd all the hugely lopsided condemnation votes of Israel in the UN over the last 6 years, or is he going along to get along?

The bottom line is this. Bush's positives far outweigh his negatives. I could pick 5 or 6 negative things Reagan did, and like you, try to use them to paint RWR as a incompetent buffoon: Botched Iran-Contra, REAL amnesty for 4 million illegals that opened the floodgates to millions more border crossers, withdrawing from Lebanon after the Marine barrack debacle, letting free-spending libs have their way with the budget, letting Liddy Dole run roughshod over the 10th Amendment - forcing states to set their drinking age at 21, etc. But a thinking person will take these negatives and compare them to Reagan's positives and realize on balance, he was one of the few GREAT presidents this country has ever had.

Same goes with GWB. His facing off against the world's terrorists is every bit as important as Reagan facing off against the USSR. And once again, the ridicule of the MSM, all the leftists moonbats, the appeasers and the ankle biting "conservatives" will have the same effect on GWB as they did on RWR. They will all be forgotten as the worthless sissies they are, or they will spend time try polish their image (like John Kerry at the '04 Dem convention praising Reagan and pretending that he too was a cold warrior standing shoulder to shoulder with RWR to defy the evil empire - BARF BARF BARF). And Bush will have to do nothing to polish his image. The jihadis still left hiding in caves will continue to curse his name, while the muslim ME is finally brought into the modern world.

And just for the record, GWB is an even bigger tax cutter than Reagan.





213 posted on 01/23/2007 5:52:51 PM PST by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: onyx

Trying to figure out if it's safe to eat my blackened salmon now... or should I wait. Kidding, Nancy can't spoil my appetite anymore. She's just defective.


215 posted on 01/23/2007 5:52:57 PM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: penelopesire
Never in the history of America has a President been so mistreated and maligned by the liberals and the media!!

You obviously never lived through the Reagan years!! LOL!!!

He was a doddering old fool in all the media portrayals!

It's interesting how people with no sense of history say that NOTHING has EVER been this BAD BEFORE....

216 posted on 01/23/2007 5:53:12 PM PST by paulat
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To: kcar
I am more inclined to believe this with Democrats


217 posted on 01/23/2007 5:53:13 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
FOR, not AGAINST.

2008? Forget it.

Ronald Reagan.

Nuff said.

218 posted on 01/23/2007 5:53:18 PM PST by Enosh
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To: STARWISE

6 minutes....


219 posted on 01/23/2007 5:53:25 PM PST by afnamvet (It is what it is.)
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To: AliVeritas

Hey girl.


220 posted on 01/23/2007 5:53:39 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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