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Ford's plug-in hybrid takes fuel cell approach
AP via Houston Chronicle ^ | Jan. 22, 2007 | KEN THOMAS

Posted on 01/23/2007 8:54:27 AM PST by thackney

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To: fabian
I think you should do a little reasearch on Mr. Pogues invention

I think you ought to learn a little more science.

The 100 MPG Carburetor Myth

21 posted on 01/23/2007 10:33:04 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: jtal

They don't say if that is the prototype or expected production cost.

A standard prototype often costs car companies over $1 million each for your everyday gas-powered car.


22 posted on 01/23/2007 10:33:21 AM PST by eraser2005
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To: thackney

The first car co to come up with a H/batt no gas vehicle and sell it for under 35k will be the winner. The dems including GW will be passing laws in the very near future making gas about $5/GAL. They are going to tax us into oblivion in the next 12 to 18 months.

The H/batt car will be the future. No one will want to wait in long lines even for the Hybrid.


23 posted on 01/23/2007 10:43:50 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: DownInFlames

Where is the hydrogen going to come from?


24 posted on 01/23/2007 10:46:07 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Did everyone miss the key word here?

Series.

As in Series Hybrids vs. Parallel. The "Volt" is a Series Hybrid.

So the Million Dollar question is did they change this Prototype Escape from Parallel to Series.

If my assumptions are correct and they have added a plug in capacity as well as swapped out for Lithium Ion Batteries, this would be a clone drive-train to the "Volt".

Does anyone see the pattern here and the significance of it?

25 posted on 01/23/2007 10:56:22 AM PST by taildragger
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To: taildragger

Sounds series to me.


26 posted on 01/23/2007 10:58:04 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: taildragger

And one more thing... The Fuel Cell is as James Carville would say boob bait for bubbas... Any engine would work to run the generator.


27 posted on 01/23/2007 10:58:30 AM PST by taildragger
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To: thackney

you can believe false articles if you wish but if you do a little research of the news reports in Canada in 1936 you will see that Mr. Pogues invention did get 205 mpg's. He was bought out for millions of dollars as other inventors have been. Why do the big oil companies own something like 98 high mileage patents?...look it up, that's a fact too. Did you know that if all of the energy in one gallon of gas were exploded underneath the empire state building it would lift it up one inch. I have done so much research on the subject, there just is no question about it. A huge gain in everyone's mpg's would greatly reduce the oil companies profits and they are financially intertwined with the car makers. Not to mention the big cut in gas tax revenues. I hope you really look into the facts rather than just believe it's a fantasy based on limited research and some kind of odd preconcieved notion.


28 posted on 01/24/2007 12:29:40 AM PST by fabian
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To: thackney

forgot an interesting link...http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/gasolinevapor.html


29 posted on 01/24/2007 12:30:51 AM PST by fabian
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To: fabian

I think you need to double up on your tinfoil hat.

Even Mr Pogue later denied the claims. I have more than a little research in the subject and I am quite aware of the energy contained in gasoline.


30 posted on 01/24/2007 7:06:58 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: fabian

Oh, now you've gone and done it. Don't you realize you've put your life in jeopardy, as well as those of every single person who has read this thread, by letting the secret of the 100 mpg (or was it 200?) carburetor out of the bag? Big Oil and their co-conspirators aren't going to stand for this sort of thing, you know. I'm leaving the office now to go into hiding, and I think you'd better, too.


31 posted on 01/24/2007 7:17:12 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: thackney

You should look at the newspaper reports of Mr. Pogues test drive and the fact that he was bought out. They are not made up. Of course there are going to be false stories that it never happened. Anyone can write anything. By the way, Mr. Pogue may have had to say that it never happened. What you are doing is under estimating the length that oil companies will go to to not drastically cut their profits. There is so much truth out there about high mileage devices that to deny it is pretty weird. I don't know why you are doing it? Maybe you have bought a lie and just haven't wanted to admitt it? Sorry, but a ton of evidence is on my side as well as the 100% gain in mpg's that I obtained with a much simpler device in my plymouth fury. I didn't fantasize that either.


32 posted on 01/24/2007 9:10:12 AM PST by fabian
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To: fabian
Anyone can write anything.

You at least got one thing right.

Have a nice day.

33 posted on 01/24/2007 9:12:30 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: fabian

By this time any patent on this invention would have expired. If the idea is so great why hasn't the idea been used by anyone anywhere in the world?


34 posted on 01/24/2007 9:18:29 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: fabian

A fool and his money are soon parted.


35 posted on 01/24/2007 9:28:36 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: fabian

--Sorry, but a ton of evidence is on my side as well as the 100% gain in mpg's that I obtained with a much simpler device in my plymouth fury. I didn't fantasize that either.--

Why don't you start a company and put out a lot of info-mercials on late night TV. You could get rich, you know!


36 posted on 01/24/2007 9:30:12 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: fabian

--and some kind of odd preconcieved notion.--

Like the laws of thermo-dynamics?


37 posted on 01/24/2007 9:31:36 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: eraser2005

I have read about this in on-line articles over the past two years. The general agreement is that quantities of millions of cars would lower all production costs to be several thousand more than what we currently pay for our gasoline powered cars.

Keep in mind that advances in fuel cells are coming yearly. That what a company would make today is a generation behind what it would make next year and two generations behind what the company would make in two years. I believe that with current advances, in five years, fuel cell production will be quantum leaps over how a fuel cell would be made today. Look at the advances in gasoline powered cars over the last century.

The infrastructure is bought up repeatedly, but I think it is not relevant. If the following two hurdles can be overcome, (1) an efficient fuel cell manufactured cheaply and (2) hydrogen produced more efficiently (two big ifs), the infrastructure will pop into being overnight because of capitalism.


38 posted on 01/24/2007 9:33:53 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: fabian

I'm intrigued by your knowlege of the Big Oil Conspiracies, perpetual motion machines, and UFO technologies. Where can I subscribe to your newsletter?


39 posted on 01/24/2007 9:34:11 AM PST by el_chupacabra (They say it's always calmest before the storm. That's not true. It isn't calm. Stuff happens.)
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To: thackney

We need advances in hydrogen production.

Advances that may or may not come. A lot of research is going into that very question. I give it better than a fifty fifty chance.


40 posted on 01/24/2007 9:35:26 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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