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The Second Holocaust ..... (No Iranian will see or touch an Israeli.)
NY Sun ^ | January 22, 2007 | BENNY MORRIS

Posted on 01/22/2007 6:33:38 AM PST by IrishMike

The second Holocaust will not be like the first. The Nazis, of course, industrialized mass murder. But still, the perpetrators had one-on-one contact with the victims. They may have dehumanized them, over months and years of appalling debasement and in their minds, before the actual killing. But, still, they were in eye- and ear-contact, sometimes in tactile contact, with their victims.

The second Holocaust will be quite different. One bright morning, in five or 10 years' time, perhaps during a regional crisis, perhaps out of the blue, a day or a year or five years after Iran's acquisition of the bomb, the mullahs in Qom will convoke in secret session, under a portrait of the steely-eyed Ayatollah Khomeini, and give President Ahmadinejad, by then in his second or third term, the go ahead.

The orders will go out, and the Shihab III and IV missiles will take off for Tel Aviv, Beersheba, Haifa, and Jerusalem, and probably some military sites, including Israel's half-dozen air and alleged nuclear missile bases. Some of the Shihabs will be nuclear-tipped, perhaps even with multiple warheads. Others will be dupes, packed merely with biological or chemical agents, or old newspapers, to draw off or confuse Israel's anti-missile batteries and Home Guard units.

With a country the size and shape of Israel, an elongated 8,000 square miles, probably four or five hits will suffice: no more Israel. A million or more Israelis, in the greater Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem areas, will die immediately. Millions will be seriously irradiated. Israel has about 7 million inhabitants. No Iranian will see or touch an Israeli. It will be quite impersonal.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; israel; terrorism; wot
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To: IrishMike

We're in for some heavy rolls........


41 posted on 01/22/2007 8:08:46 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: IrishMike

The author forgets that with Israel gone the muzzies will then want to eliminate the USA.
Before that happens Iran will glow in the dark along with anyone else who helps her.


42 posted on 01/22/2007 8:09:04 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: IrishMike

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/110107pretext.htm


43 posted on 01/22/2007 8:10:23 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: IrishMike

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/nworder05.html


44 posted on 01/22/2007 8:15:18 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: BuffaloJack

Yep, we're big Satan, Israel is small or little Satan.


45 posted on 01/22/2007 8:22:22 AM PST by IrishMike (MORE SURGE, Moqtada Al Sadr needs killing.)
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To: TommyDale

"The author needs to do some more research. This is not how the Book ends."

Yeah, but this chapter will come to a close.


46 posted on 01/22/2007 9:01:10 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: IrishMike

"Democrat voting American Jew . . . really don't get it,
but that describes most American jews."

Oh, not this crap again.

It also describes most American Roman Catholics. And pretty much anyone who lives in large urban areas.

The Jewish population of the USA happens to be largely urban. Hence, Democratic.

That's the extent of it.

Rural Jewish populations are as Republican as the next guy.


47 posted on 01/22/2007 9:03:29 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: BuffaloJack
I believe it will be more of a multi prong attack. The US will be hit at relatively the same time missiles are launched toward Israel. Of course it won't be missiles that hit the US but possible Biological and/or Chemical weapons in major cities (D.C., New York, LA, Chicago, Houston, etc), with the possibility of a few strategically placed nukes around the country. It would be assumed that we would be running around like chickens with our heads cut off and would not immediately respond or try to sue for peace. Israel at this point will be smoldering ruins but not before the launch a good portion of their nukes at Iran and possibly several Muslim holy cities.
48 posted on 01/22/2007 9:38:40 AM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: tgambill

What makes you think it will be very soon. I'm sorry but I've heard authoritarian figures imposing their views that it will be very soon for 30 years. What makes your predictions more valid?


49 posted on 01/22/2007 9:54:58 AM PST by ruthles (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean people aren't out to get you.)
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To: IrishMike

"Democrat voting American Jew
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I really don't get it,
but that describes most American jews.""

What's to get..most American reform Jews do not have as part of their Jewish identity the existance state of Israel..their Jewish identity rest most with not being christian


An intersting question to liberal reform Jews would be the following:

if the destruction of Israel redsulted the the discreditation of eventual disappearence of the Christian religion, would you support it?


50 posted on 01/22/2007 9:57:47 AM PST by Oct1967
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To: Al Simmons

btt


51 posted on 01/22/2007 10:53:11 AM PST by Ciexyz (In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:6)
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To: ruthles

I've been wrestling with this since I left Kosovo and saw first hand. I know, who are the main players, I know their agenda to a large extent (it does change and is sometimes modified), I know their past from historical documentation, and I'm not on the take nor do I have a political agenda. The "Authorities in Kosovo" (Cohen), said that 100,000 K-Albanians were missing feared massacred...then it went to 10,000, then they only found 2,108 bodies....actually, and that is questionable as to their cause of death. What does that have to do, with the subject matter, these so called authorities cite politically correct and non-confrontational studies, Rockefeller Foundation (Wolf in the hen house) has false data......and most either don't know or they are hiding the truth so that one won't look too closely for the indicators. Just this week, a news story came out, about a few senators making an attempt to label officially, the Minutemen on the border as terrorist....or outlaw their activities.

In respect to your question, I had to put away every thing I knew about history, both U.S. History, and World History and fight what I was "taught". Then look for the actual facts on my own and through other open minded researchers and historians. Not one, with the exception of the actual nuts, Ickies is one, who gives half truth and then convolutes the truth at the end of his "story"....to those that deny and say, it will be another 30 years. The first attempt to drive us to a New World Order was with the league of Nations....it failed thanks to Congress. The second attempt was the 1933-1935 attempt to bribe a Major General Smedely D. Butler to lead 500,000 men into Washington for an actual coup. Bet you didn't know that....:) If you are interested I'll give you the link to the entire story and it's congressional confirmation with the following..summary....

I've been studing this for the past 8 years, fighting it all the way....I've lived in Saudi Arabia dealing with "Security issues".....lived in Kosovo for five years...Security issues...and now in another country...on hand experience and integrity is why..........and love of my God, my country and my Marine Corps......

this is only touching the surface...as the same agenda, same family lies and generations has carried this agenda right up to now and the plans are right in line....

It's honest research......

Follows:

[June 1932 - Burned out veteran’s homes in Shanty Town, to prepare them to run a coup, Then entice US. General to march on Washington, the U.S. Capital to take over using the 500,000 disgruntled Vets.]

July 1932 to November 1933 – Good timing for an actual planned Coup of the American Government by American big business by attempting to recruit a Major General Butler in the U.S.M.C. as the commander. This true to life plan involved a very colorful character named Major General Smedley Butler of the USMC. He was approached by certain wealthy capitalist from the United States to lead a revolution to overthrow the government and establish an American Fascist dictatorship. He was even tempted by this offer. Three men, representing a body of planners, proposed to General Butler a plan to seize the White House with a private Army of 500,000 very disgruntled veterans, hold FDR prisoner, and get rid of him if he refused to serve as their puppet in a dictatorship they were going to control. Do a search on Butler and discover what he said about war and what he knew already. He asserted that the military really served the role as a collection agency for big bankers. The Senate munitions investigating committee confirmed this assertion in 1934. Major General Butler had won two Congressional Medals of Honor, and had been involved in many campaigns. This committee confirmed that; remember this word; “Standard Oil”, along with United Fruit, the sugar trust, the big banks, had been behind most of the operations he had lead. Do another search to find the McCormack-Dickstein Committee that investigated Butler’s charges. They confirmed his allegations. There are other folks that believe that Butler was maybe being set up, and that this incident was actually going to be the means that these big businessmen and FDR was going to use. Butler would lead this private Army to DC, this action would have resulted in FDR declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law and being supported by the American people. It was planned and would have succeeded, however, Butler, being a Marine in true form, revealed the plot and FDR had to be happy just being a President. The investigation went lame and just disappeared from sight. Among the powers that be, it was decided that the main way to recover and still achieve this goal was to involve the U.S. in a war. Note that in 1927 was the start of Standard Oil supporting Germany by refining the oil necessary to begin WWII.

NOTE: Replay or chance repeat of history in the St Petersburg massacre in 1905 or even better the 12 September 1917 when Civil War Breaks Out in Russia as Kornilov’s Army Marches on Petrograd to assume Power.

NOTE: Speculation from historians is that FDR knew ahead of time, would have committed active duty troops to stop the treason, and have a mass slaughter, St. Petersburg worked once, why not again. He then declares Martial law and a dictatorship. Plan fails, and is swept under the carpet. FDR settles for a war with Japan and entering the World war by setting up Pearl Harbor.

1933 - President Roosevelt (CFR) declares US. bankrupt - Signs over US. monetary power to world bankers (Rothschilds/Rockefellers - Illuminati) {March 6 , closes banks and prohibits the export of gold}

March 1933 – U.S. War Powers Act was a freedom destroying emergency legislation. War and conflict is an efficient means of controlling large groups of people. Brings more people under control (paying taxes), and allows for restrictive legislation, thus stealing freedom little by little as the War Powers Act was an example.

21 November 1933 – A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, "The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law.

Same letter by FDR 1933 - A letter written by FDR to Colonel House; "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."

1933 – Quoted in his second Cabinet meeting that he (FDR), was not interested in staying out of the war, but rather wanted to devise a way for American to get into another war, “Mr. Farley wrote that at the second cabinet meeting in 1933, “The new President again turned to the possibility of war with Japan.” [Farley, James, The Roosevelt Years, NY, McGraw-Hill Books, 1948, P 39. Cabinet Member James Farley.]


52 posted on 01/22/2007 12:42:08 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: dynoman

I agree.

I'm reading a book called 'Final Days' by the former press secretary to Gorbachev. I really did not understand the degree to which Russia, the Ukraine, Ajerbajan, Kazakhstan, and Georgia all hated one another.

By the time 'the putsch' came which originally ousted G from power, and Yeltsin stepped in to put it down, the cat was already out of the bag. The republics, once they had had just that small taste of independence, were already soured on 'putting the band back together'.

Too much intercultural baggage. Look at Russia and China. Oddly, at the government level, the two countries understand their interests with respect to the US and the West are essentially mutual. Getting past the hatred the Russians have for the Chinese, and vice versa, is another matter.


53 posted on 01/22/2007 12:53:54 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Ignorance should be painful)
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To: ruthles

I have to say that I appreciate your question or comment more than any I've had. It gives me provocative thoughts and a realization that there is a much needed amount of soul searching that needs to be done. I stick with my postings, but your question, (which I really haven't answered yet), is one that I have have to answer. The post I just put there only gives my basis...not an answer to your question. I'll be getting back. One thing however, its that with close friends and many associates, all of my predications have in fact come to pass based on the principle and anticipated strategy, rooted in knowing what their (Insiders) final objective happens to be. Knowing the final objective, you ask yourself, what would I need to do to make it happen based on what they have done in the past, according to "historical facts" and not what my personal desires or political agenda might blind me.....then, it becomes clear actually. Not being a Democrat, nor Republican, not influenced by ego, friends, or naysayers....and certainly not FEAR...and no preconceived notions.....


The frequency of the expected programs, Acts (Patriot Act + many more), links with certain shady characters and mostly, the laying of the ground work the past year has been done in "Light Speed" that has even surprised me.........I know, give me specifics...:) and you are right...You are correct. thank you for your post.


54 posted on 01/22/2007 12:55:57 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

Oh I think Man will attempt a world government, but it ain't gonna work. It's not given to him to have a world government that will actually work.

So why fight it?

Like anyone of us peons can stop it anyway. Phffft!

Is this world your home? It isn't my home.....


55 posted on 01/22/2007 1:27:09 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: IrishMike
"...and give President Ahmadinejad, by then in his second or third term, the go ahead."

It doesn't matter as to whether or not Ahmapublicrelationsjob is still there. The clerics will order whoever is in office to talk about their nuclear attacks, when that time comes. And the extortions/attacks will be more against another country or countries than Israel. Iran's ranting about Israel is mostly a diversion--a ruse--to distract from the plan for the power that they really seek. Remember that they want to take over the world for their religion. What will their real first main targets really be? And remember that Iran will want to receive massive casualties in a counter-attack (to get all of the Islamist nations hopping mad and more together against us. So what nation with offensive nukes in western Europe (but little or no anti-ballistic missile defense) will Iran hit before activating its cells in that nation and trying to take offensive nuclear facilities there?

Guerrilla warfare by any fancy new names is still guerrilla warfare, folks. To know what is likely to happen, you need to be able to think like guerrillas--not pompous people with a belief that they're invincible.
56 posted on 01/22/2007 6:04:40 PM PST by familyop
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To: MeanWestTexan
"It also describes most American Roman Catholics. And pretty much anyone who lives in large urban areas.
The Jewish population of the USA happens to be largely urban. Hence, Democratic.
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That was well said and true. Sometimes, I wonder if the new fascists (lefties)/neo-Nazis/crypto-Nazis might really want the Islamists to rule the world. They focus blame on Jewish people (including many who've become Reform/Christians) and post presumptions in order to avoid military action against Iran.
57 posted on 01/22/2007 6:09:37 PM PST by familyop
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To: familyop
Iran's ranting about Israel is mostly a diversion--a ruse--to distract from the plan for the power that they really seek. Remember that they want to take over the world for their religion.

I'm not sure that is quite accurate. One fundamental difference between Shiite extremists (e.g. the Iranian mullahs, Hezbollah) and Sunni extremists (e.g. al-Qaeda, Hamas, Saudi Wahhabists, Islamic Jihad) is this: The latter group wishes to extend the ancient caliphate throughout the Middle East and part of Europe, then throughout all of Europe, then throughout the whole world, with unbelievers ("infidels") forced to either convert or pay a special tax; whereas the former group anticipates the imminent return of the Mahdi (or Twelfth Imam), and believes it can hasten the day by provoking an end-times confrontation with the Christian- and Jewish-dominated West.

58 posted on 01/22/2007 8:42:30 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Oh, not this crap again. It also describes most American Roman Catholics. And pretty much anyone who lives in large urban areas. The Jewish population of the USA happens to be largely urban. Hence, Democratic.

There is a great deal of truth to that observation. But I think there maybe a second force at work here also: the force of habit.

As an example of what I mean, the post-Reconstruction South became fervently pro-Democratic--not unreasonably, since the Radical Republicans, who ascended to power after the assasination of Lincoln, openly wished to punish the South. Even FDR's New Deal, which placed the Democratic Party well to the left of most Southerners, did not change anything. It wasn't until LBJ's Great Society that most Southerners began to question their fealty to the Democratic Party, as a true representative of their principles.

Likewise, there was a time when anti-Semitism could be associated with American conservatives; liberals were not much affected by this disease. But for the past fifty years or so, this alignment has been stood on its head: Most conservatives support Israel and deeply respect Orthodox Jews, whereas many liberals view Israel as an oppressor state and have no use for any kind of serious religious sentiment.

Since it took Southerners about 100 years to do a U-turn, it is hardly surprising that American Jews, for the most part, have not changed direction in just half that time. But I do believe it will happen eventually. (At least, for observant Jews; secular Jews will no doubt continue to remain comfortable with the Democrats, as all secular progressives are.)

59 posted on 01/22/2007 9:58:16 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: dynoman

:) very very interesting comment....In a way, you are absolutely correct. You can't fight it, that is the mistake that those on "our side" is making. Some are even forming militia groups....:), the politicians that are in on it are now making attempts to outlaw the minutemen, classifying them as terrorist...Saw that legislation the other day. It's so obvious it's not even a challenge any longer.

If you are referring to the religious "card", then I also agree, however, from the "religious" point of view, it would be our calling to warn those that are not aware, not to take the chip, to not trust the one world system for the seven years, and be ready for a government so sinister you can't even imagine it. It's not fighting it to stop it, it's fighing it by not joining, participating, and being strong when the actual tribulation starts.

It will fail, but that time leading to the seventh year, will be like no other this world has ever experienced.....this we pass on.....


60 posted on 01/22/2007 11:13:16 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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