An assessment of the role of Roe in the 2008 presidential election

RenewAmerica.us ^ | 1-22-2007 | Helen Valois

[EternalVigilance]

Not all threats to our republic, or to the security and safety of the American people, are from the outside.

I think this is a brilliant piece by Helen Valois.

God bless her.

[upsdriver]

I am a conservative. I support the war on terror. But I will not now or ever vote for anyone who is not for the full protection of a baby in the womb. There is never an instance when it is allright to kill a baby, be it rape, incest, or just because you were too careless and can't be bothered with the inconvenience of it. The GOP had better not even think of putting forth a candidate who is ambivelent about abortion or they will go down in flames. Is that clear enough?

[xzins]

In a time of war, is it more important to win the war or to value the unborn?

Pregnant women should be given rifles and told to fight when the enemy is at the gate. That happened in pioneer America. I'm sure it's happened elsewhere.

Giving their life in the fight is not the same as saying that their lives were forfeit because we were in a fight.

We don't shove the pregnant women outside the fortification and leave them to the mercy of the enemy, because the fighters inside can last longer without them.

And the truly long view includes future generations.

Hannity is overcome by New York politics, and his words cannot be trusted when it comes to Guiliani.

[EternalVigilance]

Is that clear enough?

It sure is to me.

Lots of GOP hacks got their fingers in their ears, though. I hope they aren't allowed to take the country the rest of the way down.

[EternalVigilance]

And the truly long view includes future generations.

Amen. The framers of our Constitution agreed, and put the lives of those generations yet to come on equal footing with their own, and our own.

Preamble, U.S. Constitution

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

[Democratshavenobrains]

The Democrats have effectively co-opted the pro-life handle by running conservative sounding guys in Red and Purple states. The elections of Webb and Casey show that.

[upsdriver]

I am getting tired of all those on this site who will support someone they think can beat Hillary or whoever but are not willing to defend the unborn. I just cannot accept that. Rock hard principles in support of babies can't be compromised. Thanks for your support!!

[EternalVigilance]

Likewise.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Limbaugh says moderates are liberals. I agree with him.

Yet, the Republican establishment in Washington keeps trying to cram moderate liberalism down our throats...

[EternalVigilance]

I agree too. With Limbaugh and with you.

[TigersEye]

Abortion is not about saving women’s lives!

Studies Find Abortions Have Long-Term Effects

45,951,133

Total Abortions since 1973

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Why the drop after 1960? (in deaths of women from illegal abortions)

The reasons were new and better antibiotics, better surgery and the establishment of intensive care units in hospitals. This was in the face of a rising population. Between 1967 and 1970 sixteen states legalized abortion. In most it was limited, only for rape, incest and severe fetal handicap (life of mother was legal in all states). There were two big exceptions — California in 1967, and New York in 1970 allowed abortion on demand. Now look at the chart carefully.

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Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

· 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing

· 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby

· 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child

· 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)

· 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career

· 7.9% of women want no (more) children

· 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health

2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health

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So how many women’s lives have been saved by abortion?

Only about 3% of abortions since 1972 were reported to be “due to a risk to maternal health.” A reasonable person would recognize that not all of those cases represent a lethal risk. But let’s say they did. That means that nearly 45 million fetuses were butchered to save the lives of about 1.3 million women. Or put another way; 35 babies are killed to save each woman.

Abortion was legal in all 50 states prior to Roe v. Wade in cases of danger to the life of the woman.

Roe v Wade: FULL Text (The Decision that wiped out an entire Generation 33 years ago today)

[EternalVigilance]

A truly brilliant post.

[TigersEye]

I thank you.

[EQAndyBuzz]

"Lots of GOP hacks got their fingers in their ears, though. I hope they aren't allowed to take the country the rest of the way down."

You, like many got caught up in the GOP/Conservative movement. There is no longer Party support. The Democrats coopted the GOP with something called moderates or in Conservative terms RINOS. To them it is called triangulation. That will put Hillary in the WH in 08.

The first step was getting these moderate Repuublicans into office. The next step is putting the GOP mods too far to the right and bringing in Dem "Conservatives" who are really liberals. After that it will be to get rid of the "Blue Dogs" and really go liberal.

Ideology and the GOP no longer go hand in hand. We are walking around with the same tired old message; abortion is wrong, gay rights is wrong, the death penalty should be used. I been hearing this from the GOP for 30 years and nothing has changed since then.

I don't feel like being a martyr. I want to win. If you want to stay home because your candidate is socially liberal and more people support them then the Conservative, then don't complain when you get the liberal.

Protect my country, allow my child to get the properr education, and don't tax me into oblivion. The rest will work itself out. If 06 didn't teach Conservatives anything, then nothing will.

[EternalVigilance]

Your closing two paragraphs make no sense to me.

But you will be hardpressed to find where I've threatened to "stay home." Hardpressed indeed.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I agree too. With Limbaugh and with you.

Limbaugh is right 98.4% of the time. We can make up the other 1.6%...

[Sun]

Today I was listening to the speakers at the Pro-LIFE! rally on EWTN shortwave.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, and Senator Brownback spoke at the rally, and they BOTH are running for president.

If any other presidential candidates spoke that I'm not aware of, please let me know.

Remember Duncan Hunter and Senator Brownback at the GOP primaries. I hope they raise a lot of money. Money is the best way they can get their message out.

[Sun]

"I am a conservative. I support the war on terror. But I will not now or ever vote for anyone who is not for the full protection of a baby in the womb. There is never an instance when it is allright to kill a baby, be it rape, incest, or just because you were too careless and can't be bothered with the inconvenience of it. The GOP had better not even think of putting forth a candidate who is ambivelent about abortion or they will go down in flames. Is that clear enough?"

I agree.

[Sun]

While I like Sean Hannity, he needs more prayerful thought to come to the right decision.

As an aside (kind of) besides being pro-partial birth abortion, Sean's friend Guiliani wouldn't be so good on terrorism, IMHO, because he was in favor of ILLEGAL immigration when he was mayor (and still is), which would make it even easier for terrorists to enter our country.

[oceanview]

its pretty easy to figure out the equation here.

If a Dem wins in 2008, Roe will not be overturned for the next 25 years. That's an iron clad guarantee. All the lib SCOTUS members will retire during the period of Dem control, and the 5 votes for Roe will be retained.

most freepers don't like Rudy, and don't trust McCain on social issues. OK, that's fine. If you'd like to have a GUARANTEE that Roe will stand for the next 25 years, send someone up there like Brownback to get slaughtered in 2008.