Posted on 01/21/2007 4:36:07 AM PST by Semper
Ultimately though, they will turn on each other. Ultimately, what WE want is power. What we do with it is the difference between "us" and "them".
I must not understand conspiracy because I don't think there is any conspiracy to one world order. It is simply a group of select elite who are very wealthy and influential that have the common goal to be rich and powerful handing that ability down through their generations.
I don't really believe the "average" American wants power. He wants what the government convinced him was the American Dream (whatever fits in and funds the elitests folly). Joe Six-Pack is willing to work for someone else but wants a decent living for a decent days work to raise a decent family. Society is corrupt but it began with money and the power it brought. The power they wield is through the promises they make to the fodder. Those in power love nothing more than for the average to become property owners. Once you are a property owner they have a more stable tax-base because you will continue to work doing anything to protect your interest and thus you will continue to feed the government all the while keeping the bums in power. That is the only reason I see housing is so important to the government.
War is also to make money--for the powerful. Unrest among the average is a diversion for the wealthy to go about their business unnoticed and you can be sure it is not for the average guy's benefit.
I do not believe the elite are in Congress--they are not part of that group.
You watch one day this internet will get shut down. There's too much unfiltered information here and too much free expression of ideas and this is a different country that it was 30 years ago.
And the bureaucracy is the natural constituent of a party the seeks to expand government authority, and the natural enemy of one that seeks to constrain it.
In fact, we do. That makes us, in their eyes, a power bloc. It seems to me that the problem is a little like the proverbial elephant being examined by the five blind men. It depends on from where you're looking, what it looks like.
Agreed
It's already happening in China, India, etc. And every word we type is preserved forever.
It depends on what "how you define "that group". Is Ted Kennedy a member of the "rich" elite? There are plenty of people in congress who either are or would like to be part of that group. But mostly, their avarice make them the servants of those in "that group".
Count me in, Our government is cesspool of special interests and political correctness. We need that revolution that Thomas Jefferson called for. Unfortunately the incumbents are making it more difficult for us to oust them every year. I think we will need bloodshed to rescue our country from this scum.
I agree the above premise is correct and that it refers to Congress.
In fact, we do. That makes us, in their eyes, a power bloc. It seems to me that the problem is a little like the proverbial elephant being examined by the five blind men. It depends on from where you're looking, what it looks like.
That is where the do-anything-politician for a vote comes in. Not for one minute do I believe any common American (wealthy or not) has any power unless it benefits the benefactor(s) who supported the chosen one. (Ex: During the S&L bailout it was a good thing to buy CD's and many average did so--but how many really made a bundle off them before the rules were changed). Guess what, McCain was one of the shameful Keating Five and he is running for President! How quick we forget.
The REAL power is behind the scenes (the super rich) calling the shots by grooming/mentoring those to be the future power that will do their work. Kind of like Soros only I do not think Soros is one of the guilded.
I believe there are elite groups in all countries that meet independently (each with their own power/money interest) and then out of those groups are the ultra elite who meet internationally. These ultra elite are huge money people who own or hold significant stock in newspapers and finance, utilities, etc which enable them to control the masses. And we keep electing the bums because someone says they will do what we want. They don't even care what we want.
Guns, groceries and gold are your best protection from the teeming hordes of mongrels.
BUMP
What we're talking about is a paradyme shift of perhaps greater impact than the American Revolution. Political parties throughout the world are exactly what we're talking about. They're actually power-blocs. The only difference between "us" and "them" is the purity of our action and intent. This is serious business we're talking about. I think we'd better make sure God is on our side.
I'd be too afraid that we would nominate nopardons.
That shouldn't be a problem. I've seen cases where two parties with diametrically opposed views on an issue are both firmly convinced God is on their side.
Life's complicated when you factor in all the "others" out there who think God's on their side.
Seriously, I believe that the US Constitution, as it was written and intended, is divinely inspired.
I have no answer but the propaganda machine is hard at work on the masses from all sides and so is the big money. I cannot draw any other conclusion that fits what is happening. Pretty scarey stuff. I repeat, Captains and Kings is an excellent book.
When I finished that book I read Bradley's Fly Boys and it commented on a fact that I did not know, had never seen in any documentary and thought was way tooo symbolic. Commodore Perry sailed to Japan in 1853. Perry took to shore a letter wanting to trade with the Japanese. He also took along with him a blue flag with 31 white stars. The Japanese took the letter and told him to leave. When the Japanese surrendered after WW-II, 92 years later, a guy by the name of Lt. John Bremyer was given emphatic instructions to guard and not let out of his sight a box to be delivered. He flew through 12 time-zones to deliver that same flag to Admiral Halsey.
The U.S.S. Missouri lay just 4-1/2 miles northeast of the spot where Commodore Perry had anchored his ship. Admiral Nimitz and General MacArthur were ferried out to the Missouri on the destroyer Buchanan (named after Commodore Buchanan who was first to step on Japanese soil with Commodore Perry. The nine member Japanese delegation traveled from Tokyo to Yokohama for the surrender ceremony. They traveled the same route the emissaries had trod to shuttle messages between Commodore Perry and the last shogun.
Couple all this symbolism 92 years after the fact and the court-martial of Admiral Kimmel regarding the bombing of Pearl Harbor and I suggest all this symbolism has another meaning that was 92 years old. Who remembered all of this and what was the real significance? Power and power by whom and passed on to whom after 92 years?
There is continuity in this world. Most of it goes unnoticed an a day-to-day basis. Most Americans are ignorant of this aspect of our lives.
When I worked for the government in the Balkans a few years ago, we did a little diagnostic test on our students. I can't replicate it here, but it demonstrated that Americans are almost unique in looking forward with optimism while most of the rest of the world looks backwards for it's instructions on how to behave. We, as a nation, have much to learn about how the rest of the world perceives us.
This, of course affects how they react to our rather straightforward approach to life.
I think we have become so complacent in that we are the best nation in the world that we have been snookered by the powers. A large portion of us will never wake up, another portion of us refuse to believe it and any believers are thought to be crazy. Just like the power brokers want us to think. My whole perception has turned upside down and I don't see a way to make it better. It is very discouraging and makes me want to put my arms around my country and pull it in tight like a mother would do to her child--but that is protectionism which most believe is the wrong way to go. Thanks for the exchange.
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