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Dutch imams 'leaving in droves'
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Posted on 01/19/2007 6:05:09 PM PST by traumer

Moderate Muslim preachers are leaving the Netherlands and being replaced by more extreme clerics, senior Dutch Muslim officials have warned.

Nasr Joemann of the Netherlands' Muslim Contact Group (CMO) said imams felt discriminated against and were leaving for France and Spain.

Of 450 Dutch mosques, 180 had no imam, leaving a vacuum that uncertified clerics were filling, he told BBC News.

The Dutch government said it had planned a meeting on the matter.

The CMO will be among the organisations present at the talks on 31 January with Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk.

The justice and immigration department said it would not comment on the matter until then.

There are about one million Muslims in the Netherlands - about 6% of the population.

Tensions have risen in recent years, since the popularity of anti-immigration politician Pim Fortuyn and the murder of film-maker Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim extremist.

'Situation critical'

The Deputy Chairman of the Association of Dutch Imams, Mohamed Ousalah, has accused the government of doing little to remedy the situation.

"The situation is critical. In Amsterdam, The Hague and Utrecht dozens of imams have left," he told the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf.

He said imams were becoming disillusioned and leaving because since the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, they were increasingly being linked to terrorism and facing discrimination.

Mr Joemann explained that while the Netherlands' Turkish community could recruit imams from Turkey, because of agreements between the Dutch and Turkish governments, there were much tighter restrictions on Moroccan imams.

"The mosques are forced to appoint people who are sometimes not qualified," he said.

"They are not always Moroccan or Turkish - sometimes they are from Somalia, Syria or Jordan - and they have a different concept of Islam."

Some, he said, followed the Wahhabi doctrine - a strictly conservative form of Islam previously absent from the Netherlands.

"They are creating problems and propagating new views in the mosques. Young people are quite open to this teaching. This is creating tension and clashes in the community," he said.

While the government had helped set up a scheme to train Dutch-born Muslims to be imams, it would be some years before the graduates could be posted to mosques, he said.

In the meantime he urged the government to relax restrictions on imams coming from Morocco, but said the government "has not responded positively yet".


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1 posted on 01/19/2007 6:05:10 PM PST by traumer
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"The situation is critical. In Amsterdam, The Hague and Utrecht dozens of imams have left..."


2 posted on 01/19/2007 6:06:59 PM PST by traumer
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"they were increasingly being linked to terrorism "
Well, duh.


3 posted on 01/19/2007 6:08:07 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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Encourage more to leave and then shut the damn door.

What's hard to understand about that?

4 posted on 01/19/2007 6:10:08 PM PST by OldPossum
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"He said imams were becoming disillusioned and leaving because since the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, they were increasingly being linked to terrorism and facing discrimination."

The question is where are they going to?


5 posted on 01/19/2007 6:10:32 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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oops...missed the France and Spain part...that figures.


6 posted on 01/19/2007 6:11:12 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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to manage their cells from outside the country


7 posted on 01/19/2007 6:12:36 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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Clearly they need to reduce the number of Muslims until into balance.


8 posted on 01/19/2007 6:12:59 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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""They are creating problems and propagating new views in the mosques. Young people are quite open to this teaching. This is creating tension and clashes in the community," he said."

There is a way to solve this problem. Get rid of the mosques.


9 posted on 01/19/2007 6:13:15 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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Dutch imams 'leaving in droves'

"That's a shame..."


10 posted on 01/19/2007 6:14:46 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: traumer

What the heck is a drove? Is that a small SUV, a train or possibly a blimp? ;)

As long as they leave, who cares?

Better if they "leave" in coffins.

Mayhap we (US) could loan our Imams a few droves so that they can leave.


11 posted on 01/19/2007 6:15:26 PM PST by doc1019
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"While the GOVERNMENT had helped set up a scheme to train Dutch-born Muslims to be imams....."

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SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE !!!!!! SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE !!!!! SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE !!!!!

I expect Leftists everywhere to be outraged at this!! The American Left in particular must be thoroughly horrified at this co-mingling and will protest vehemently-----won't they?

12 posted on 01/19/2007 6:16:02 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: traumer
Europe's "tolerance" will be her downfall.
13 posted on 01/19/2007 6:16:44 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: traumer
Moderate Muslim preachers are leaving the Netherlands and being replaced by more extreme clerics, senior Dutch Muslim officials have warned.

This, on the other hand, is not a shame:  it's easier to recognize your enemies when they're not pretending to be your friends.

14 posted on 01/19/2007 6:17:00 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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Thats a damn shame.


15 posted on 01/19/2007 6:17:24 PM PST by lndrvr1972
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senior Dutch Muslim officials have warned.

Who ARE these people?? Gotta love unamed sources.

16 posted on 01/19/2007 6:18:03 PM PST by Chani (Happy cows make good cheese.)
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EncourageThrow out all of them more to leave and then shut the damn door.

Fixed

17 posted on 01/19/2007 6:19:36 PM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: traumer

The Dutch should tell the Muslims Allah issued an order for them all to take a pilgrimage into the north sea, on foot.


18 posted on 01/19/2007 6:19:53 PM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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Some, he said, followed the Wahhabi doctrine - a strictly conservative form of Islam previously absent from the Netherlands.

IMHO If you read the Koran and Hadiths The Wahhabi doctrine is the logical conclusion of what Allah wants you to do.

And if you have doubts as to what you should be doing as a Muslim, Mohammed has set an example.

Moderation is not an option. - Tom

19 posted on 01/19/2007 6:23:46 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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What the heck is a drove?

I believe this is from cattle drives. A large number of cattle being moved rapidly is sometimes referred to as a "drove" or in "droves."
20 posted on 01/19/2007 6:24:34 PM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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