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Onlin Human Events ^ | Jan 19, 2007 | Michael Reagan

Posted on 01/19/2007 11:56:40 AM PST by keats5

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To: jiggyboy

UNreal!


21 posted on 01/20/2007 6:39:12 AM PST by soccermom
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To: wolfcreek

You said -- "I had a pretty messed up childhood and yes, that's probably what I would have done."

Then that speaks to *your case* as a "hardened individual" at that stage in your life -- as opposed to an innocent and young boy, not hardened and not ever before faced with a depraved situation.

So, I don't know if I would recommend turning kids into "hardened and calloused" inviduals, as a method of dealing with predators...

Regards,
Star Traveler


22 posted on 01/20/2007 7:23:16 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler
"So, I don't know if I would recommend turning kids into "hardened and calloused" individuals, as a method of dealing with predators..."


You very good at making assumptions. First, that I was *hardened and callous*. Second, that this young boy was a flower of innocents.


We live in a world where EVIL is around every corner. My goal was to tell parents of the need to prepare your children for the time when they will have to face EVIL. Of course, the PC mentality won't allow for such training because it might *offend* someone or hurt their feelings. Follow that train of logic and evil will win every time.
23 posted on 01/20/2007 7:49:24 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek

You said -- "You very good at making assumptions."

And you are equally good at making "calloused" statements, it appears (especially after reading what Michael Reagan has to say about it).

Furthermore, what you say about this -- "Of course, the PC mentality won't allow for such training because it might *offend* someone or hurt their feelings." -- makes no sense.

That kind of training is done in the home or at the parents' choice, so what does PC mentality have to do with preventing parents from training kids in their own homes according to their beliefs, have to do with it?

It might have something to do with "PC parents" [and their kids] -- but *not* with parents who choose to do so on their own.

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. -- Also, parents who are followers of Jesus Christ and teach their kids the ways of the Bible, will be very well aware of the sin and evil that is in the world. That's the *main prerequisite* for coming to faith in Christ, that one *recognizes* this *universal and sinful condition* of every last single person in the world, including you and me -- and that this is the reason for the need of a Savior, through whom God says that there is no other way, except through Jesus for salvation.

The ones who dismiss the teachings of the Bible are the ones likely to be PC and thus believe in some "inherent good" in people (and that means it applies to *anyone*, no matter how good they appear).

I take it, by your recognitiion of EVIL in the world, that you know that this comes from the utter depravity that is inherent in the sin condition (which is stated in the Bible) of every last single person in the world, whether it be that "perp" who took the boy, or the parents themselves, or even the police who arrested him.


24 posted on 01/20/2007 8:06:23 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler
"It might have something to do with "PC parents" [and their kids] -- but *not* with parents who choose to do so on their own."


The PC parents and their secular views are the ones I was referring to. They don't teach their children how to protect themselves. Hell, I don't think they teach them anything.


This story gets stranger and stranger by the minute. This kid, even though he had been kidnapped, was leading a fairly normal life, even had a girlfriend. Like I said from the beginning, No matter what this monster did to me, I would be gone the first chance I got. Maybe I was trained better.
25 posted on 01/20/2007 8:31:53 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek

Big talk if you haven't BEEN THERE.


26 posted on 01/20/2007 9:31:01 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

"Big talk if you haven't BEEN THERE."


If more people thought like I do, child preditors might think twice. Teach your children well.


27 posted on 01/20/2007 9:46:32 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek

as a matter of fact, my then-12 year old "knee'd" the class bully during a PE class, making it look like an accident .. said bully never went near him again ;)


28 posted on 01/20/2007 9:56:25 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Good for your son! Did you teach him that move?


29 posted on 01/20/2007 10:02:29 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek

nope, (tho I DID pay for his karate classes).

I never even heard about it for years, and then not even from him! Kid took care of his own business, still does.


30 posted on 01/20/2007 10:12:38 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: wolfcreek

"You very good at making assumptions."

It's interesting that you would protest someone else's assumption of you and your childhood, and yet you seem free to make assumptions of Michael Reagan and Shawn Hornbeck.

It disturbs me a whole lot to see FReepers who, no matter the circumstance, always blame the victim. I think it reveals their underlying fear that the same thing could happen to them or their loved one, and so they come up with all these things that they do differently or would do differently than they think the victim did, to try to reassure themselves that this could never happen to them.

Reality is this: bad things happen to good people. Yes, we can learn from others' situations and make preparations and take precautions, but we no one can ever be prepared for every possible bad thing that could happen to them or to a loved one.


31 posted on 01/20/2007 11:45:23 AM PST by TruthSetsUFree
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To: keats5
My advice to all the amateur psychologists telling us what happened to Shawn is to just plain shut up. If you haven’t been there, yourself, you don’t know what you are talking about. Leave the kid alone, he’s been through enough grief.

Amen! Thank you Mr. Reagen, these words of wisdom were needed. Maybe O'Reilly, and others of his mindset, will read this and learn something.

32 posted on 01/20/2007 11:51:56 AM PST by Chena
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To: MizSterious

You can't be serious. I am flabberghasted


33 posted on 01/21/2007 3:55:00 PM PST by mel
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To: Fairview

That is what I think.


34 posted on 01/21/2007 3:56:24 PM PST by mel
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To: Young Werther

What did O'Reilly say?


35 posted on 01/21/2007 3:57:24 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: wolfcreek

I don't think not going to school was normal or sleeping all day


36 posted on 01/21/2007 3:57:50 PM PST by mel
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To: TruthSetsUFree
It disturbs me a whole lot to see FReepers who, no matter the circumstance, always blame the victim. I think it reveals their underlying fear that the same thing could happen to them or their loved one, and so they come up with all these things that they do differently or would do differently than they think the victim did, to try to reassure themselves that this could never happen to them.

Thank you!
Perfect analysis.

37 posted on 01/21/2007 4:17:26 PM PST by Fairview
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To: wolfcreek
Michael Reagan was talking to you, Chief. --"amateur psychologists...just plain shut up."

You think you know but you don't. Talk is cheap, and "woulda coulda shoulda" is the cheapest of talk there is.

38 posted on 01/21/2007 4:32:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: nickcarraway
Sometime he mistakes opinion for fact. He doesn't know but disses experts, especially if he disagrees with their position and he feels that he is more knowledgeable.

I think that he, like many pundits, need to identify their opinions as such and not as FACT!

39 posted on 01/21/2007 8:03:01 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: hinckley buzzard

M. Reagan can "just shut up". He wants everyone to be a victim just like him. (not a Conservative ideal) That's the whole reason for my comments. The *PC* mentality will make victims of us all.


40 posted on 01/22/2007 4:30:19 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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