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Navy Student Fails Test, Must Pay Full Tuition[$127K]
WJZ ^ | 18 Jan 2007 | AP

Posted on 01/19/2007 6:17:18 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman

A Naval Academy midshipman who was expelled after he failed a running test will have to pay the Navy for the cost of his education.

Baltimore County resident Frank Shannon had asked that the 127-thousand dollar bill be waived. But a senior Navy official rejected his appeal this month, saying the academy provided Shannon with ample opportunity to meet its minimum fitness standards.

Shannon failed 12 of 18 fitness tests, and failed in a series of attempts to run a mile-and-a-half in 10 minutes and 30 seconds. In his final test, he was 20 seconds short. He was expelled just weeks before graduation.

Shannon is hoping a member of Congress will intervene. Aides to Senator Mikulski suggested he apply for readmission to the academy, but Shannon is currently married and would first have to divorce his wife before applying.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: academy; fatbody; naval; navy; tuition
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Your 100% correct....I know a little something about Naval Nuclear Power Program, and he was an enlistee trainer at Balston Spa at 19???? This guy ain't no dummy. He's probably in the top 5% of the country when it comes to academics.


61 posted on 01/19/2007 6:47:29 AM PST by trappedinnj
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To: Non-Sequitur

He was prior service, 2 yrs enlisted, Nuc. side of the house.


62 posted on 01/19/2007 6:47:31 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman (The Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt the man doing it!)
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To: edcoil

It would be 12.5 feet per second or what, about four running strides a second?


63 posted on 01/19/2007 6:48:16 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Seriously, I wonder if he planned the marriage and decided he didn't want to put up with the separation so he booted the physical requirements?

Honestly, the marriage part is what baffles me the most. And I think you might be right . . . he just got fed up with the whole deal, and planned to live as a civilian, and then WHAM, he gets whalloped with a $127,000 tuition bill.

Perhaps he can take out a mortgage on it or something?

64 posted on 01/19/2007 6:49:07 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: NOLA_homebrewer

it is the regular navy standards but the 10m30s is the cutoff for an excellent/low grade in the 20-29 male category. i would assume (i know thats dangerous) that the academy is implementing anything lower than an excellent/low as a failure. i would talk to a JAG and see if i was being railroaded.


65 posted on 01/19/2007 6:49:14 AM PST by mfnorman
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

22Co, down on 2-0 overlooking T-Court. Right over the boilers, in the dead of winter I'd still be in my room in bare feet and PT gear. Guys that lived over the wind tunnels on 2-1 would be in double sweats.


66 posted on 01/19/2007 6:49:33 AM PST by NOLA_homebrewer
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To: meyer

When you consider that the $127,000 included room and board, that is not an unusual total bill. USNA is not some local community college where you live over your grandmas garage and eat mac and cheese.


67 posted on 01/19/2007 6:49:45 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: NOLA_homebrewer
Napoleon McCallum and David Robinson come to mind (Robinson was DQ'd due to his height and not any lack of physical fitness)

Roger Staubach went into the Supply Corps because he was color blind. If memory serves, McCallum spent his time in the Civil Engineering corps.

68 posted on 01/19/2007 6:49:56 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: ContemptofCourt

This sounds like a total Screw Job on this guy. He is caught by Catch 22, 23, 24 ....100. Wow.


69 posted on 01/19/2007 6:50:23 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: mbynack

Read #28 before furthering your embarrassment.


70 posted on 01/19/2007 6:51:14 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
You priced Harvard or Yale lately? Heck, room and board for 4 years at a decent state University will set you back close to $50,000.

I don't want to turn this thread in a new direction, but I will offer that our college/university system presents a bit of a monopoly in that the accrediting agencies have all the say in what is acceptable in terms of instructor's education as well as classroom material. I don't doubt that this accreditation extends to the classrooms of the Navel Academy.

71 posted on 01/19/2007 6:51:17 AM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Perhaps he can take out a mortgage on it or something?

Nah. The Democrats just cut the interest rate on student loans. He's better off getting one of those to pay them back.

72 posted on 01/19/2007 6:51:25 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: ContemptofCourt

Thanks for the illumination. This kid got screwed!


73 posted on 01/19/2007 6:51:39 AM PST by go-dubya-04
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To: mad_as_he$$

Ping!
(other mail's down)


74 posted on 01/19/2007 6:53:07 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Especially when you're playing "Name That Tune" while hanging from your door.

That was for the high-schoolers. Napsters were usually out running a tab at the Little Campus Inn.
75 posted on 01/19/2007 6:53:16 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: trappedinnj
Your 100% correct....I know a little something about Naval Nuclear Power Program, and he was an enlistee trainer at Balston Spa at 19???? This guy ain't no dummy. He's probably in the top 5% of the country when it comes to academics.

Yup, plus he MAJORED in Double E. Majored in it. For those who don't know, each and every single USNA midshipman has to take one solid year of electrical engineering during their second class year, and it is absolutely the academic proving ground of all proving grounds. Entire classes have been known to have failing averages going into the final, and to get a Delta in EE is to achieve a solid victory.

To choose EE as a major is insane. I daresay fewer than 5% of a class have the courage to major in EE.

76 posted on 01/19/2007 6:53:16 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: skippermd

Check out post 19


77 posted on 01/19/2007 6:53:29 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: T.Smith
Why not allow him to graduate and then send him to the fleet as an NCO to work off his education?

I like that suggestion - I was trying to come up with something along those lines.

78 posted on 01/19/2007 6:53:56 AM PST by Tax-chick ("I don't know you, but I love who you seem to be.")
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To: T.Smith
Why not allow him to graduate and then send him to the fleet as an NCO to work off his education?

Because he didn't meet the graduation requirements.

79 posted on 01/19/2007 6:54:45 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Thrownatbirth
Napsters were usually out running a tab at the Little Campus Inn.

!!!!!! I was NAPS, too, and I was throwing 'em back by the end of my plebe year.

80 posted on 01/19/2007 6:55:24 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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