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To: Vicomte13
Count me out. Your policy is immoral. I cannot support it. It is not in accord with anything that remotely resembles the rationale for America to intervene via a just war.

On a practical level, what make you think the Sunni Arab states will tolerate all of this, and not act? How do we protect the Kurds in their land locked state from the Turks or whomever? By C-130's or something? It is grand that you are so sure the Islamic Arab Shia state in Iraq will not become in Iranian vassel state. I wonder about that. I suspect it will, with the Sunni states funneling arms, a lot of them, and lots of money, and maybe more, to the Sunnis that America has decided simply don't fit in.

If that is the end game of American policy, I would be tempted to become an isolationist. America just can't handle the moral burden, and should stay the hell out of foreign adventures that are other than directly related to ending states that attack us, de jure or de facto, ala Afghanistan.

455 posted on 01/18/2007 8:27:52 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

"If that is the end game of American policy, I would be tempted to become an isolationist. America just can't handle the moral burden, and should stay the hell out of foreign adventures that are other than directly related to ending states that attack us, de jure or de facto, ala Afghanistan."

It is the end game.
Remember: isolationism does not work unless we abandon Israel.
No Israel, no US tensions in the Middle East. Muslims are not blowing up the Chinese.
Abandoning Israel is immoral too.

In for a penny, in for a pound.


458 posted on 01/18/2007 8:39:09 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Torie

You said -- "Count me out. Your policy is immoral. I cannot support it. It is not in accord with anything that remotely resembles the rationale for America to intervene via a just war."

There is only one just war, and that's the one that you won. I'll guarantee you that the Islamists have no qualms in asserting their will over you. So, your response to them will be to say, "Well, I won't do this to you -- but you can do whatever you want to me..."

Stupid policy and guaranteed to get you another 100 years worth of fighting. The Islamists are not going to give up. They've got the oil, the countries and all the people they need to throw into this kind of war -- forever. So, you won't be getting out of this war the way you are thinking...

Regards,
Star Traveler


463 posted on 01/18/2007 8:50:12 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Torie

Isolationism won't work anymore, and the US is The Great Satan, the eventual target for Islam. If they get us to bow down, the rest of the world is a piece of cake. We're that big piece of the puzzle they need to achieve everything they've dreamed of. So, at what point does a policy in defense of survival become immoral? That would seem to be the salient issue. When do we say, that's it, and put aside PC thinking? Are we there yet? Evidently not.


566 posted on 01/19/2007 6:42:05 AM PST by hershey
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