Posted on 01/17/2007 9:02:18 PM PST by FairOpinion
"If Helen Thomas was paying attention when she was watching President Lincoln say that she would be singing a different tune..."
Actually she wasn't paying attention; she was thinking about what she was going to wear to her retirement dinner that night!
Absolutly correct.
There are only 2 options in war. Victory or defeat. You work for defeat, you are enemy and deserving of no treatment different from the enemy.
In the case of Iraq, we are working for political stability or defeat. Victory does not come into the equation, and that is why I object.
Given that political stability does not really exist in any muslim dominated country (I guess Turkey is the closest one) then we really are in a pickle aren't we?
I'm for victory - you are (apparently) for a political legacy for GWB. Those aren't the same thing.
So does that make you a terrorist?
GWB himself comes out against real victory......he said:
"Victory will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved. There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleship. But victory in Iraq will bring something new in the Arab world — a functioning democracy that polices its territory, upholds the rule of law, respects fundamental human liberties and answers to its people."
So by your definition, he might be a terrorist, too, since the "victory" GWB defines isn't really a military victory.
See how complicated it gets when you deal in absolutes without knowing how they are defined?
Victory, a military victory in Iraq isn't even on the table to be considered. THAT is what I object to. You should too.
Keep dancing your deconstructionist bull crap. I give a squat about GWB. He's a big boy, he can take care of his own "legacy".
Anyone, who for any reason, speaks or acts against victory is an enemy of victory.
That is law most ancient and has always been the only reality.
You take your intellectually inbred twisted crap and choke on it.
Your claim that victory is not even possible is purely a product of enemy propagandists.
Any who adhere to the cause or propaganda of the enemy are enemy.
"Your claim that victory is not even possible is purely a product of enemy propagandists. "
I said victory is not on the table, not that it wasn't possible.
It's not my claim it is what the commander-in-chief said.
"You take your intellectually inbred twisted crap and choke on it."
Hilarious!
Pay attention then, you might learn something. I'll even use small words, just for you.
Our military can achieve victory, a real victory, if they were allowed to. We don't need more troops, just let those that are there do their job, which is not nation-building or police duties.
I don't wish Iraqi's ill, I just don't care enough about them to support continuing the status quo. They aren't worth it.
“To understand the sudden Demo-reversal of support for the surge of troops to Iraq, one must recognize one basic political reality: If the U.S. wins in Iraq, the Demos believe they will lose in ‘08. They must make George W. Bush, and by extension, America, lose in Iraq. They ran on ‘We are not winning the war.’ They now say they were elected to ‘Stop the War!’ How dumb do they think we are? I guess we should be ashamed of the answer to that question.” —Atlanta, Georgia
“The Democrats have been working to undermine our troops in Iraq ever since March 2003, and now they would like to cut funding. They want President Bush, our troops, and the United States to fail, because they think that would enhance their chances of winning the White House in 2008. So their goal is to leave us exposed to more 9/11’s here at home, and to abandon 27 million Iraqis to terrorists and murderers. The Democrats would deliberately squander and trivialize the lives and limbs of our soldiers in this war.” —Overland Park, Kansas
Those posters obviously get it ... sadly, too many American voters do not and that is precisely why the bastard democrats continue their sedition and deceits.
BTW, where did you get the quotes ... I love 'um.
Your wrong. Make whatever claims you wish based upon whatever bullcrap you want. You are wrong. This has been going for only 3 years. That is a very short period for what is required. It is the lack of endurance and feckless lack of fidelity that folk like you demonstrate that constantly feeds the will of our enemy.
You are the person that opened up the issue of this being all about political agenda in me wanting to protect GWB's "legacy". It is you who are given over to the propaganda of the enemy in support of your own stated agenda.
Much has been accomplished in Iraq and each cycle of events brings us closer to having it under control and functional.
Your lack of resolve is the weakness and gangrenous corruption that our enemy counts on for their own victory. They have stated as much repeatedly.
You throw out "nation building" as if there's any other option except to rebuild what is destroyed, regardless of who or how or when it got destroyed. That entire line of argument is a deconstructionist deceit bought into by morons and idiots and spewed by regurgitating propagandists.
You and all like you are playing right into the same pattern that forced us into accepting defeat at the hands of enemy propagandists in the '70s.
Your filthy ilk are working to bring about the same wholesale slaughter of innocents and set another round of events in motion that will punish us for decades to come.
Weakness, confusion, ignorance, idiocy, cowardice, maliciousness, it does not matter why.
Those who allow themselves to become compromised by the enemy are the enemy. Zero degree of separation.
"Your wrong. Make whatever claims you wish based upon whatever bullcrap you want. You are wrong. This has been going for only 3 years."
We actually agree about victory, we only disagree on the definition - your non-hysterical words align with GWB's definition, not the one that matters militarily - but your rhetoric and insults more closely match as if you believe the military definition, so I think you need to decide whether you really want to win or not.
Other than that, you spew like a sewer-hole with childish invectives, but you continue to repeat the same line. Any reasonable assessment of the situation will conclude that Iraq will be more-or-less stable until we leave, not one day more. The only question is will we EVER leave.
Now see if you can stick to rational discourse.....debate on this issue should not be verboten as you would like it to be.
then their political pressure can work.
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