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1 posted on 01/17/2007 12:01:03 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
because the death penalty started in 1977 - I think not.
2 posted on 01/17/2007 12:02:53 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Borges

AKAIK, Gary Gilmore hasn't murdered any more gas station attendants in the intervening thirty years.....


3 posted on 01/17/2007 12:02:59 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: Borges
I am not a big fan of the death penalty.

That being said, in some situations due to the prevalence of liberal pardoning governors,liberal activist judges and the absolute heinousness of some crimes, there is no other way to keep society safe.

4 posted on 01/17/2007 12:06:09 PM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Borges
I like the crowd outside John Wayne Gacy's execution. I liked their singing that song, nah nah nah naaaah -- hey hey! Kill the clown.

It sounded like a nice, festive atmosphere.

7 posted on 01/17/2007 12:08:31 PM PST by Stepan12 (Mark Steyn: "We are all spaniards now.")
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To: Borges
"It's time to hopefully bring about healing."

Thanks for your concern,Terry,but my healing was complete about 30 seconds after your pal drew his last breath.

8 posted on 01/17/2007 12:08:58 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: Borges

I'd rather talk about Artis Gilmore.


11 posted on 01/17/2007 12:12:17 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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We're mocking it," Terry McCaffrey of the global human-rights group Amnesty International said Tuesday. ". . .It's time to hopefully bring about healing."

Ah yes, mockery usually heals people.

One of the best things you can do after someone loses a loved one is to make fun of the bereaved - and maybe toss in a few jokes about the deceased as well.

Very conciliatory.

12 posted on 01/17/2007 12:12:23 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Borges
While the Catholic Church has been vocal about its opposition to the death penalty, the LDS Church has not taken a formal position.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically non-existent."


14 posted on 01/17/2007 12:14:15 PM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Borges

Why is it these sh*tbirds never worry about 'the healing', or'closure' for the victim's family?


19 posted on 01/17/2007 12:21:11 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Borges

IMO executions should be public. Let the people who would commit crimes see for themselves what can happen to them.

That being said, the executed will commit no more crimes. The incarcerated can escape, get paroled, or just serve out their sentences (which are at times too short) and return to society to commit more crimes, usually more serious crimes.


20 posted on 01/17/2007 12:21:36 PM PST by fredhead (Teach a man to fish.......and he'll fish for a lifetime.)
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To: Borges

I believe societies associate penalties with crimes as a way to establish the value of its citizens lives.

All who work for compensation have exchanged some portion of their life in return for that compensation, with which they obtain the necessities of life, and obtain property and possessions according to their ability and want. A society that allows criminals to take life and property and go unpunished demeans the value of that portion of its citizens lives.

When we, as a society, sentence a criminal to two years of incarceration, we are equating his damage to society with two years of a productive citizen's life. Not withstanding the punishment can not in any way restore the loss. The punishment is a value statement, not an exchange.

If I am right, the question is this: Is there anything our society holds valuable enough to be worth an entire life? If so, why should society be further burdened by a member incapable of understanding that?

To me, it is a question of values, and I think there are offenses so grevious that society must say, "This is worth more than your life!"


If we do not stand up for our values, they will be lost.


25 posted on 01/17/2007 12:28:02 PM PST by rbookward (When 900 years old you are, type as well you will not!)
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To: Borges
With an average 10,000 murder victims per year that comes to almost 3,000,000 names that should be read. Their shout for justice would drown out these doofae!

Our social contract, aka Constitution, GUARENTEES LIFE Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. When Gilmore's pursuit of happiness, robbery, includes taking someone's life, then an eye for an eye is appropriate.

The Simon Sez Syndrome as practiced by these anti death penalty poops ain't popular in polite society!

26 posted on 01/17/2007 12:29:00 PM PST by Young Werther
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"It's not that we're glorifying Gary Gilmore. It's time to hopefully bring about healing."

Huh? Heal what? Is he saying that the ACLU's feelings were hurt 30 years ago when the death penalty was reinstated and that by mocking its return their feelings will heal? Oh, boy, these people are petty!

27 posted on 01/17/2007 12:33:21 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Borges

Why don't they seek comment from the person that received Gilmore's eyes in a transplant some thirty years ago? That would at least at a bit of interest to the story as that person may have a different view of the event...


30 posted on 01/17/2007 1:26:21 PM PST by philled ("Enshrine mediocrity and the shrines are razed."-- Ellsworth Toohey)
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"It's an important date for us to be mocking"

That statement is an absurd contradiction right on it's face. It's important enough to mock? Oooookay. Also.. why reads the names of the victims.. what is the point to that when protesting the death penalty. These are the people for whom marxism has such warped their minds, they are unable even to see straight.


31 posted on 01/17/2007 1:45:19 PM PST by Bones75
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