[68 grunt]

... The rabid anti-Rudy attack dogs here are a small but loud and obnoxious crew. They aren't representative of the GOP in any way, shape, or form.

Actually, they do represent us. As caricatures. As Norman Lear presented Archie Bunker. Their purpose is to divide the base and subtract from our credibility, not multiple our base and add to our credibility.

[patriciamary]

IF we cannot see the obvious and do what we must for the party ,we cannot win ,so why even have a GOP candidate.Hillary and Obama will never be beaten by a conservative.It's McCain or Rudy and Rudy is the better choice to win.If the GOP and conservative base cannot realize this don't waste your money supporting any candidate because they have no chance in hell to win.