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Parents Block Plans to Vaccinate Nine-year-olds against Sex Virus
news.scotsman.com ^ | 07/01/07 | Brian Brady

Posted on 01/16/2007 7:46:58 AM PST by Thywillnotmine

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To: concerned about politics
I don't know anyone who has ever had cervical cancer.

What is your point?

41 posted on 01/16/2007 8:21:38 AM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: concerned about politics
Our dentist asked my 17 year old daughter if there was any chance she could be pregnant, because he was going to give her gas instead of Novocain to fill a tooth. My daughter looked at him in shock. She said "No. I'm only 17. I'm not even married." She couldn't believe he even had the nerve to ask her something like that. Did he think she was "some kind of liberal whore?"

Your daughter needs to realize that the dentis is a health care provider and not a judge of morality She need to remember that not all girls are like her and that the dentist is trying not to cause harm to her, his patient, or potentially an unborn child. I rememeber in my highschool days, some of the sweetest and modest looking girls were wild and some of the sluttiest looking ones never did it at all!

42 posted on 01/16/2007 8:22:24 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: concerned about politics
Reread my post. My daughter is 17. Not 50.

And one day your daughter will be 50 and, more than likely, she will be infected by that point with the virus that causes cervical cancer. The vaccine is only really effective if given before she starts having sex.

43 posted on 01/16/2007 8:23:51 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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To: Alter Kaker
The cost is minimal and it gives you one hell of an insurance policy in the event that a doctor should one day miss something at a pap smear.

"IF" has become a very powerful word these days for being so small.

"IF" the world is heating up, we're all gonna die.
"IF" Republicans get elected, Social Security will wither on the vine.
"IF" Bush gets elected, the blacks will be forced back into slavery.

44 posted on 01/16/2007 8:24:06 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Chickensoup

This would be for girls that are sexually active? Do they plan on giving this shot to all girls regardless of being sexually active?


45 posted on 01/16/2007 8:25:26 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: Maigrey
She's more likely to get heart disease or breast cancer than cervical cancer.

Absolutely correct. And if there were a simple vaccine that could virtually eliminate breast cancer or heart disease, I'd support that too. Cervical cancer isn't the biggest killer in the US -- but 4,000 women still die from it every year. That number includes plenty of faithful, upstanding moral women.

46 posted on 01/16/2007 8:26:24 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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To: doc30
Your daughter needs to realize that the dentis is a health care provider and not a judge of morality She need to remember that not all girls are like her

Of course. I explained that to her. She was just shocked when the dentist asked her a question she thought was unreasonable. She felt the question was degrading.

47 posted on 01/16/2007 8:27:35 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: angcat
Do they plan on giving this shot to all girls regardless of being sexually active?

The vaccine is for girls who plan on being sexually active during the course of their lifetimes, regardless of the number of sexual partners (i.e. "1" is enough). If your daughters are set on becoming nuns, then this vaccine may be superfluous. Otherwise, not.

48 posted on 01/16/2007 8:27:52 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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To: nanster
I have no problem with the vaccine or parents wanting to get the vaccine for the daughters. OTOH, it is NOT the same as the MMR vaccines. It isn't something that is communicable by casual contact or by breathing the same air. As such, there definitely should NOT be any kind of requirement for this vaccination in schoolchildren, whether or not you think it is a good idea.

TS

49 posted on 01/16/2007 8:27:54 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: concerned about politics
"IF" has become a very powerful word these days for being so small.

There are a lot of ifs, but 4000 American women still die every year from a disease that can be almost entirely prevented by responsible parents. Again, maybe I'm blind but I don't see the downside of this safe, affordable vaccine.

50 posted on 01/16/2007 8:29:39 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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To: metmom

I tried to fight a mandated chicken pox vaccination. I lost that fight badly. I do see the validity of vaccinations but the truth is, I value choice above all other things. Vaccinations are about protection, that holds merit, but if we lose all choice, bit by bit, what is it we are trying to protect in the first place?

A life without choice? Is that one worth living?


51 posted on 01/16/2007 8:29:43 AM PST by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: Alter Kaker
And one day your daughter will be 50 and, more than likely, she will be infected by that point with the virus that causes cervical cancer

Thank you for knowing my kid better than me. Why, without people telling parents what to do to their children, they may actually make the mistake of raising them themselves.

52 posted on 01/16/2007 8:30:06 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: concerned about politics

You can't always tell a liberal wh*re by their looks, nor can you always tell if a young woman is pregnant in the first few months. But a health-care provider MUST ask these questions; otherwise, he'd be negligent and open to malpractice suits.


53 posted on 01/16/2007 8:30:42 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Alter Kaker

You keep saying it is safe and affordable....long term side effects, if any, have yet to be determined and as to cost, my understanding is that it is a series of 3 shots at a cost of at least $100 a pop.

I still have a few years before I need to decide if my daughter will get this or not, a few years where more information about its side effects will emerge - but even if it proves to be 100% safe, it should NOT be mandatory.


54 posted on 01/16/2007 8:34:15 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Again, maybe I'm blind but I don't see the downside of this safe, affordable vaccine.

I'll make a deal with you. You get your daughter(s) injected, and I'll not get my daughter injected. That way, we'll both raise our own children our own way, and we'll both be happy.
(Forcing this on the public is Frankenstein fascism.)

55 posted on 01/16/2007 8:35:16 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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Thank you for knowing my kid better than me.

It's not about knowing your kid. It's about knowing your kid, knowing your kid in 30 years, and knowing her future husband perfectly and completely, knowing with complete unwavering certainty than not only has he never had any sort of sexual contact with any woman other than your daughter, but that he never will either.

Again, seems like a foolish gamble to me.

56 posted on 01/16/2007 8:35:34 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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To: angcat

This would be for girls that are sexually active? Do they plan on giving this shot to all girls regardless of being sexually active?


Yes. They call it Preventitive Medicine. Welcome to a Brave New World where school based healthcare centers will protect your children against some of the varagies of premarital sex.


57 posted on 01/16/2007 8:36:47 AM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: trumandogz
And yes, in refusing to provide their daughter with the vaccine, they are taking a gamble with their daughter's life.

So is teaching her how to drive. Don't do it!!!

58 posted on 01/16/2007 8:36:54 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: concerned about politics

Actually that's a very good analogy.


59 posted on 01/16/2007 8:38:46 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Alter Kaker

"Giving your kid a deadly cancer..."

According to the American Cancer Society, not ones to discount the threat, between 1955 and 1992 the death rate from cervical cancer in the US declined 74% due to pap tests. Pap tests can detect pre-cancerous cell changes and treatment can prevent their development. Death rates from cervical cancer continue to decline, on average, 4% a year due to pap tests and subsequent treatment.

Yet, you would say that if I am unwilling to inject this substance in my daughter, which may have unforeseen, even deadly effects 20 or 30 years down the road, I am sentencing her to certain death? Untrue.

I will encourage my daughter to be abstinent before marriage and to get regular paps once she begins to have sex. That has virtually a 100% detection and cure rate these days. No need to inject substances whose long-term effects are unknown.


60 posted on 01/16/2007 8:40:36 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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